ram vs cold air intakes??? whats better???
#21
12-03-2009 | 02:15 PM
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the ac setup has been thought of and denied.. as it would need power to make more power.. problem is the gain you could see with it would not be worth the power lose of using the ac and the resulting parisitic drag.....
on another hand their is a company out their that makes a system called cryo uses a nitrious or co2 bottle and uses to spray an intercooler or has a pipe you add to a intake system and blows the very cold air around it wich is suppose to give you a boost... and no matter what a cai will still work even with our systems even the the air will get heated up it is still pulling in colder air then it was stock.
on another hand their is a company out their that makes a system called cryo uses a nitrious or co2 bottle and uses to spray an intercooler or has a pipe you add to a intake system and blows the very cold air around it wich is suppose to give you a boost... and no matter what a cai will still work even with our systems even the the air will get heated up it is still pulling in colder air then it was stock.
#22
12-03-2009 | 03:46 PM
the ac setup has been thought of and denied.. as it would need power to make more power.. problem is the gain you could see with it would not be worth the power lose of using the ac and the resulting parisitic drag.....
on another hand their is a company out their that makes a system called cryo uses a nitrious or co2 bottle and uses to spray an intercooler or has a pipe you add to a intake system and blows the very cold air around it wich is suppose to give you a boost... and no matter what a cai will still work even with our systems even the the air will get heated up it is still pulling in colder air then it was stock.
on another hand their is a company out their that makes a system called cryo uses a nitrious or co2 bottle and uses to spray an intercooler or has a pipe you add to a intake system and blows the very cold air around it wich is suppose to give you a boost... and no matter what a cai will still work even with our systems even the the air will get heated up it is still pulling in colder air then it was stock.
#23
12-03-2009 | 04:13 PM
heres what the ricers run to prevent hydrolock.......
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/AIR-F...Q5fAccessories
watched a vid not long ago where a guy tested it with his car, revved it up and dunked the filter in a bucket of water, bogged the engine down, not getting enuff air, but didnt suck a drop of water.....heres what i got for spinnin 5 grand thru water
when i had this
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/AIR-F...Q5fAccessories
watched a vid not long ago where a guy tested it with his car, revved it up and dunked the filter in a bucket of water, bogged the engine down, not getting enuff air, but didnt suck a drop of water.....heres what i got for spinnin 5 grand thru water
when i had this
That's exactly what I was talking about. That is exactly why I am fearful of even running anything like that without some one way valve or some means of keeping the water out.
#24
12-03-2009 | 04:17 PM
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Ramair is a poor mans supercharger & turbo 
Ran a ramair setup for 4yrs before getting a Procharger. 4x2 & wanting lots of power, ramair will give best results.
Ramair generally has twin, large ducts, feeding a large round filter ontop of a tb or carb.
CAI have cone filter (inefficient compared to round filter) & a single tube. If you offroad & are a submarine driver like Audiodoggy then you want a snorkel not ramair lol.
If you want the best ramair setup, go to www.ramairbox.com & get their twin ducted 110* 3" airbox, 1/2" drop base & lid & a 14x3" K&N as well as 2-4"alum ducts from homedepot. When I had a bone stock 5.9 from tb down, but all the bolt ons including the ramairbox, my Indy ran a 13.99 best 1/4m as well as a 60' best of 1.91. Shocked a lot of Ford Lightnings (supercharged ones) as well as Stangs, Camaro's & the odd Vette now & then (beat a few pre 00 Vettes)
Little history
64 Ford Thunderbolt is the first factory car with true ramair as far as I know. Fairlane body had 4headlights at the time. The Thunderbolt only had lights in the 2 outside spots. The inside headlight openings were used to supply air to twin 6" ducts (IIRC) going into a filterbox ontop of the 427's carb. Ive got a picture of one from a car show years ago somewhere but couldnt find it. Found these pics from musclecars.http://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/...hunderbolt.htm. It was your basic factory drag car lol
This is the setup I ran from ramairbox.com. Air went into the ducts from the bumper foglight openings. Quite similar to the Thunderbolts setup just a bit smaller
Most recent vehicle that actually relates to us that came with ramair was a Chevy p/u. AWD 6.1L Silverado SS came with ramair from the factory, thats the ducts on the corners of the bumper.
Ran a ramair setup for 4yrs before getting a Procharger. 4x2 & wanting lots of power, ramair will give best results.Ramair generally has twin, large ducts, feeding a large round filter ontop of a tb or carb.
CAI have cone filter (inefficient compared to round filter) & a single tube. If you offroad & are a submarine driver like Audiodoggy then you want a snorkel not ramair lol.
If you want the best ramair setup, go to www.ramairbox.com & get their twin ducted 110* 3" airbox, 1/2" drop base & lid & a 14x3" K&N as well as 2-4"alum ducts from homedepot. When I had a bone stock 5.9 from tb down, but all the bolt ons including the ramairbox, my Indy ran a 13.99 best 1/4m as well as a 60' best of 1.91. Shocked a lot of Ford Lightnings (supercharged ones) as well as Stangs, Camaro's & the odd Vette now & then (beat a few pre 00 Vettes)
Little history
64 Ford Thunderbolt is the first factory car with true ramair as far as I know. Fairlane body had 4headlights at the time. The Thunderbolt only had lights in the 2 outside spots. The inside headlight openings were used to supply air to twin 6" ducts (IIRC) going into a filterbox ontop of the 427's carb. Ive got a picture of one from a car show years ago somewhere but couldnt find it. Found these pics from musclecars.http://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/...hunderbolt.htm. It was your basic factory drag car lol
This is the setup I ran from ramairbox.com. Air went into the ducts from the bumper foglight openings. Quite similar to the Thunderbolts setup just a bit smaller
Most recent vehicle that actually relates to us that came with ramair was a Chevy p/u. AWD 6.1L Silverado SS came with ramair from the factory, thats the ducts on the corners of the bumper.
#26
12-04-2009 | 08:30 AM
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Go to your kitchen get 2 straws & a glass of water
Cai equals one straw
Ramair equals 2 straws (though much bigger)
Put one straw in a glass of water & suck, you get water (cai hydrolocks mtr)
Put one of 2 straws in a glass of water & suck both, you get air (ramair keeps on truckin)
Moral of this story
CAI's suck lmao
Cai equals one straw
Ramair equals 2 straws (though much bigger)
Put one straw in a glass of water & suck, you get water (cai hydrolocks mtr)
Put one of 2 straws in a glass of water & suck both, you get air (ramair keeps on truckin)
Moral of this story
CAI's suck lmao
#27
12-04-2009 | 02:28 PM
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#28
12-04-2009 | 05:41 PM
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Go to your kitchen get 2 straws & a glass of water
Cai equals one straw
Ramair equals 2 straws (though much bigger)
Put one straw in a glass of water & suck, you get water (cai hydrolocks mtr)
Put one of 2 straws in a glass of water & suck both, you get air (ramair keeps on truckin)
Moral of this story
CAI's suck lmao
Cai equals one straw
Ramair equals 2 straws (though much bigger)
Put one straw in a glass of water & suck, you get water (cai hydrolocks mtr)
Put one of 2 straws in a glass of water & suck both, you get air (ramair keeps on truckin)
Moral of this story
CAI's suck lmao
and no prob on the name thing....
#29
07-13-2010 | 02:12 PM
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I'm going to reopen this thread as I've been strongly contemplating the purchase of a ram air setup.
The link to the ebay thing is dead, can anyone post a new link? I assuming it's some sort of safety device???
A 2 duct ram air setup is favorable to a 1 duct for the reason RM stated, one tube hits a puddle, the other doesn't and you get no water in the engine, just air. The effort to pull water up the tube is far greater than to pull air from the unobstructed port.
Now, what about rain water in a heavy squall or, say the wheel spray from a semi on the highway? That scares the crap out of me, running a true ram air setup.
RM, did you ever use the Indy on the street in rain running that setup? I can't help but think I'm wasting HP by running a round filter in a hot engine bay.
The link to the ebay thing is dead, can anyone post a new link? I assuming it's some sort of safety device???
A 2 duct ram air setup is favorable to a 1 duct for the reason RM stated, one tube hits a puddle, the other doesn't and you get no water in the engine, just air. The effort to pull water up the tube is far greater than to pull air from the unobstructed port.
Now, what about rain water in a heavy squall or, say the wheel spray from a semi on the highway? That scares the crap out of me, running a true ram air setup.
RM, did you ever use the Indy on the street in rain running that setup? I can't help but think I'm wasting HP by running a round filter in a hot engine bay.
#30
07-13-2010 | 02:27 PM
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Ive always tried to avoid rain in the Indy but while running the ramairbox was on the highway when the skies just opened up in a torrential rain. Traffic was heavy at the time but moving 65mph.
Motor started to loose a slight bit of power right before the truck started to hydroplane for about 100'. If I hadnt of lost power, probably would of spun around & lost the Indy & maybe me too. About the only time Ive been scared drivin her
Motor started to loose a slight bit of power right before the truck started to hydroplane for about 100'. If I hadnt of lost power, probably would of spun around & lost the Indy & maybe me too. About the only time Ive been scared drivin her