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Old Jun 6, 2010 | 07:18 PM
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Regarding my previous update post (two posts prior), it wasn't the wavy ring (overdrive clutch wave spring, aka snap ring OD brake rear wave), or the one that nests with it (overdrive clutch reaction ring aka snap ring OD brake rear flat). Both were still there. I did find two more ring pieces though. It turns out that the "direct clutch pack snap ring" (aka snap ring OD direct clutch wave) had grenaded and there was nothing left in the groove. There was a little wear on the direct clutch pressure plate ring, probably from rubbing agains broken snap ring parts. Everything else looks pretty good. Just have to pick up those two parts (snap ring and clutch plate) tomorrow and I should be good to go. Time will tell if it fixes the "no reverse" problem. That will teach me to go by a part description over the phone. Next time I will point at the picture. LOL.
 
Old Jun 6, 2010 | 08:59 PM
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I replaced the governor pressure solenoid, tranducer, installed a new seal for the gear selector shaft, and found the small fork like device that is supposed to sit between the front band adjustment screw end and the band. It is whole, the screw as not, I dug around and found the missing piece of the screw having all parts accounted for I was able to reassemble the pieces with some grade 8 hardware and a bench grinder to recreate the adjustment screw. I also pulled apart and drained the cooler lines, forced some air pressure through the lines (not too much) and put it all back together. Just got back from driving it to the gas station, I have all gears, it shifts properly, 2nd gear is rather abrupt (I think my adjustment might be a little too tight) but it's all there behaving right and no codes. I am concerned though, to bring it up to the correct fluid level, it took ten quarts and change. I ended up having to drysweep up alot of fluid I spilt all over while blowing lines out but that seemed like an awful lot. Also the magnet had quite a bit of material attached to it, but nothing bigger than dust size. The band was ok btw.

I still plan to rebuild it. Got any recommendations for a truck with 7"lift and 37s? I am running 4.56 gears. If I could get some help there putting together a build sheet that would help immensely.
 
Old Jun 6, 2010 | 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by mpatrick19
First time posting here. I have read all 36 pages of this thread and I have not seen a post about my problem. First off I have a 2000 with a 3.9L 2wd, I am assuming the 42re trans. The problem that i'm having is that the transmission is down shifting while i'm coasting. For example, driving on highway about 60-65 i let off the gas and when i hit 55mph it shifts down, then when i need to accelerate it shift harshly back into o/d. It gets more noticeable the longer I am driving, maybe heat related? I have adjusted the tv cable with no results other than the timing of the shifts. I was going to do fluid and filter tomorrow, other than obvious things is there something i should look for with the pan off? TPS sensor is also good. One more thing, this started happening right after my battery got disconnected.

Hmm check the governor solenoids. Could be ground issue, tighten the cables down a little more. Also could be in the valvebody, most shifting complaints are the effect of a bad vb.
 
Old Jun 6, 2010 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by army_greywolf
MonteC I did a bad thing.

I was traveling to NY state from Louisiana a few months ago, the trip was excellent and went well, my loaded return trip not so much. I believe my governor pressure solenoid burned out during the trip. This threw a few codes, namely P1675 (don't quote that, its the one that indicates a 12V+ short to solenoid or a ground fault either or)

Anyways, it caused my loaded truck to drop out of lock up in 3rd gear. I knew it was bad, I pulled off and tried a combination of tricks to fool the computer into believing there was no solenoid fault so I could get lock up to work and at least make it home. I knew this would lead to trans failure but had little choice in the matter the truck did not have what it took to haul the load. I drove approx 450 miles at steady 55 like this. The fluid is discolored, (dark RED not brown) and I'm positive had some clutch material floating in it. I have up til now replaced the fluid with a simple pan drop, filter change and band adjustment every 15K or so since I got the truck, until now the transmission shifted flawlessly.

When I plug the relay back in without bypassing anything or rerouting the wiring to fool the computer and make it shift normally I have two conditions. One is delayed shift and two is the OD slips ever so slightly, it seems to slip alot less when given more engine load...does that make sense? After the truck warms up the code returns (sometimes immediately after startup sometimes not) I know the solenoid is bad, I tested the field coil, it is shorted to ground somewhere but tapping it causes it to work...so anyways, requires replacement. I'm not expecting miracles but is there a chance replacing the solenoid could return the truck to normal driving status? Do you think something else is going on as well? Will replacing the gov sol and transducer possibly break these components if my trans goes south in the short term (could I reuse these since they are comparatively expensive). I am leaning on a rebuild but need two months out of the truck to pay for rebuilding the trans.

The new solenoid should get you by, but its gonna need a rebuild. As long as you clean the new solenoid it should be fine for the rebuilt unit.
 
Old Jun 6, 2010 | 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mpatrick19
Well here is an update. I changed the fluid and filter yesterday. I let it drain for about 3 or 4 hours while I was replacing most of my front end. The fluid didn't look too bad, there was only a little bit of metal sludge on the magnet. I t looks like the tranny was never serviced before this, its got about 137k on it. I also checked all the electrical connections and they seemed fine, checked the drain back valve it was clean and i was able to blow air through it. After everything was finsihed I drove it home from my brothers shop, about 15 miles mostly highway and I didn't have overdrive, switch did not make a difference. Rechecked fluid when I got home it was fine, I did use ATF-4+ btw. Have checked all fuses, O/D switch, nothing seems to change. Not sure what to do next.
You need to put a scan tool on it. See what the temperature is and what the computer is commanding.
 
Old Jun 6, 2010 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tango-52
Regarding my previous update post (two posts prior), it wasn't the wavy ring (overdrive clutch wave spring, aka snap ring OD brake rear wave), or the one that nests with it (overdrive clutch reaction ring aka snap ring OD brake rear flat). Both were still there. I did find two more ring pieces though. It turns out that the "direct clutch pack snap ring" (aka snap ring OD direct clutch wave) had grenaded and there was nothing left in the groove. There was a little wear on the direct clutch pressure plate ring, probably from rubbing agains broken snap ring parts. Everything else looks pretty good. Just have to pick up those two parts (snap ring and clutch plate) tomorrow and I should be good to go. Time will tell if it fixes the "no reverse" problem. That will teach me to go by a part description over the phone. Next time I will point at the picture. LOL.
I havent seen that happen in a long while. More commonly the o/d direct breaks, but the o/d break does too every once in a while. Hope you get it fixed!
 
Old Jun 6, 2010 | 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by army_greywolf
I replaced the governor pressure solenoid, tranducer, installed a new seal for the gear selector shaft, and found the small fork like device that is supposed to sit between the front band adjustment screw end and the band. It is whole, the screw as not, I dug around and found the missing piece of the screw having all parts accounted for I was able to reassemble the pieces with some grade 8 hardware and a bench grinder to recreate the adjustment screw. I also pulled apart and drained the cooler lines, forced some air pressure through the lines (not too much) and put it all back together. Just got back from driving it to the gas station, I have all gears, it shifts properly, 2nd gear is rather abrupt (I think my adjustment might be a little too tight) but it's all there behaving right and no codes. I am concerned though, to bring it up to the correct fluid level, it took ten quarts and change. I ended up having to drysweep up alot of fluid I spilt all over while blowing lines out but that seemed like an awful lot. Also the magnet had quite a bit of material attached to it, but nothing bigger than dust size. The band was ok btw.

I still plan to rebuild it. Got any recommendations for a truck with 7"lift and 37s? I am running 4.56 gears. If I could get some help there putting together a build sheet that would help immensely.
Im glad you got it going again. But from the way you described the fluid i would not trust the unit for very much longer. Yes, a couple guys on here have done rebuilds them selves and i think i even made up a good build sheet, it would be a good starting point for you.
 
Old Jun 6, 2010 | 11:43 PM
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I'll dig for it, thanks. Yanno I missed the chunk of metal the first time I went in to check the solenoid, but then I was determined to repair an electrical problem. I dumped the fluid out haphazardly, let that be a lesson to everyone, LOOK IN THE PAN. I took it for another drive with concerns about the condition of my front band, after a couple wide open throttle pulls it "seems" ok. I'll post a youtube video for thoughts on this from the gallery.

I will get a core trans and rebuild that from scratch in my leisure time rather than have the truck down to do it. This is my second ever auto trans rebuild, I hope it will last another 120K or better. Any particular severe duty components I should be looking for? I do side work for logging companies which can mean my truck travels for miles through mud/sandy terrain over and around stumps carrying varying loads and sometimes dragging a trailer along up to 8000 lbs. I saw reference to clutches in relation to color, what about bands? Are there better than stock front pumps? Is the GM Solenoid conversion worth the price and does it last as long as replacing the stock with another OEM?
 
Old Jun 7, 2010 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by army_greywolf
I'll dig for it, thanks. Yanno I missed the chunk of metal the first time I went in to check the solenoid, but then I was determined to repair an electrical problem. I dumped the fluid out haphazardly, let that be a lesson to everyone, LOOK IN THE PAN. I took it for another drive with concerns about the condition of my front band, after a couple wide open throttle pulls it "seems" ok. I'll post a youtube video for thoughts on this from the gallery.

I will get a core trans and rebuild that from scratch in my leisure time rather than have the truck down to do it. This is my second ever auto trans rebuild, I hope it will last another 120K or better. Any particular severe duty components I should be looking for? I do side work for logging companies which can mean my truck travels for miles through mud/sandy terrain over and around stumps carrying varying loads and sometimes dragging a trailer along up to 8000 lbs. I saw reference to clutches in relation to color, what about bands? Are there better than stock front pumps? Is the GM Solenoid conversion worth the price and does it last as long as replacing the stock with another OEM?

Originally Posted by xjarhead69
Towing no more then 7000lbs.

Thank You
Dave
Dave, this is what i reccommend. Plug these numbers into WITTRANS's website.

22002E
12010J OR 12010C depending on year of your truck
B22022A
22034A
22046C
36066 replace other bushings as needed.
22119EHP
22139E
22582E
22584C
S22741NCK
D12415B OR C depending on year
U12927
A12432BK
A22912 use the seal that comes in the overhaul kit, the seal that superior supplies does not install very well.
S22916-2

Some common hard parts that you may or may not need, depending on what you find on tear down. This is just a short list because hard part damage veries from unit to unit, you might get lucky and not have any damage.
D22634C
D12220
A22654A
A12650

Also for the extra capacity drums you will need to do some measuring for clutch clearances and order what you need separetly from WIT, they have listings for the different thickness pressure plates. Also if you plan on upgrading the intermediate apply lever 4.2 will do just fine. Put a deep pan on it (dont forget the filter adapter), big cooler with fan if possible. Talk with precision about their RV converters with the billet back.

That should do you nicely.
This is the list he posted for me.

Dave
 
Old Jun 7, 2010 | 12:14 PM
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Any help with my weird early torque converter lockup problem that I posted earlier would be appreciated. Thanks.
 



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