For an unloaded truck, the stock cylinders are fine. They are more than capable of locking up the rears, even when you aren't actually trying..... For folks that tow, or haul, I would certainly recommend them...... Upgrading the fronts is never a bad idea.

 

I came into this thread on the side of the upgrade but you have actually convinced me otherwise. In a split second I will not be able to judge the friction coefficient of the ground I'm on and pump my brakes effectively. I don't have confidence in the ABS system on these trucks.

I would rather have, say: 80% maximal stopping power with underpowered brakes and have control than have 80% maximal stopping power from overpowered locked-up brakes and have less control.

 

So I guess my real question is "Will the wheel cylinder upgrade significantly increase the chance of rear wheel lock-up?"

 

This is not a good thing, this is why you need to find a empty parking lot. You can judge the friction coefficient through the feedback your vehicle gives you, if you never learn to translate that feedback you will always be a unsafe driver in those hard braking situations. The vibrations in the pedal, sound of your tires and release of tension in the pedal are more than enough feedback to tell you to stop mashing the pedal and start pumping/apply appropriate pressure. I wish I lived in Finland so I had confidence in the other drivers I share the road with.



Thinking underpowered brakes would be a good Idea is a joke because in a situation where you have less grip than normal on the road you will be boned because you assume you can floor the brake petal locking the brakes and putting you in the situation you claim your paranoid of.

Not the clip I was looking for, but it's from the same episode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bmqdnx5R1U

 

I don't know why you have to be so insulting. I would like to see a car pull out in front of you and watch how many times you pump the brakes before you collide.
The reason ABS was invented is not so much because drivers don't pump their brakes but because it is physically impossible to cycle braking at an effective rate.

And you have also failed to address my question. I would be happy if trolls like you all moved to Finland and froze your asses off after sliding off an icy road into a snow bank. And if you don't think that there are bad drivers in Finland then you truly are a fool.

 

here's my opinion. i don't have the exact years and diameters in front of me, but over the years, dodge increased the rear wheel cylinder from the smaller size to a larger size. i think my 01 is 1 inch. i believe they did this in an effort to improve braking.

the swap-in of the larger 2500/3500 wheel cylinder has been a popular mod for a long time, although not discussed much in recent years. you can go back to the old posts from '05-'06 to find a lot of enthusiastic support for it. it's most effective for the older models with the smaller cylinders, and less effective on 00-01 which have larger stock cylinders.

if your rear ABS is working properly, it will prevent lockup irregardless of the a wheel cylinders improved braking capability.

personally, i hate my rear ABS. every once in a while i have to make an emergency stop due to a deer, or other car or whatever. i feel like it stops slower on dry pavement due to the ABS action than if it just locked up. perhaps the ABS would provide more benefit in wet conditions.

my opinion - go with the larger cylinders for increased braking pressure and improved braking. that's what dodge did in 00-01.

 

Thank you. That's a good answer to my question. I think probably under normal stopping conditions the larger cylinders will help anyway.

 

ABS brakes are the worst feature to ever be instituted on automobiles. People no longer drive responsibly, respecting speed and distance nor learn proper braking technique. The general thought process is to press the brake hard and that's it. People don't drive, they aim.

I've had my ABS system actually cause me to collide with another car. So much for improved braking. To this day, I always practice pumping my brakes and I have better control than if I were to just punch it and hope for the best.

 

I'm not convinced that ABS is to blame for tailgating and reckless driving. I'm curious how ABS caused you to collide with another car, VWandDodge. Maybe you should have gotten used to the ABS system in a parking lot.

 

some old threads.

https://dodgeforum.com/forum/2nd-gen...-a-1500-a.html

https://dodgeforum.com/forum/2nd-gen...-cylinder.html


95 Chev 3500
Part Number: 33709
Application: With single rear wheels
Fits either side 1-1/16" diameter

Part Number: 33708
Application: With dual rear wheels
Fits either side 1-3/16" diameter
(this is the largest bore)