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5.2 to 5.9, with an auto to manual Swap to boot.

Old Jan 24, 2015 | 10:13 PM
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Your truck doesn't have EGR. That went away in 96.
 
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Old Jan 24, 2015 | 10:20 PM
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Hey dean when you put on those LT's let me know how you got around them. I'm curious about getting LT's instead of my shorties and seeing how you get around the clearance issue.
 
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Old Jan 24, 2015 | 10:49 PM
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Your truck doesn't have EGR. That went away in 96.
Well that just made my day, saved about $75 I think.
 
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Old Jan 24, 2015 | 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue Mopar01
Hey dean when you put on those LT's let me know how you got around them. I'm curious about getting LT's instead of my shorties and seeing how you get around the clearance issue.
You got it man. I spoke to redneck_ram and he said the clearance wasn't too bad, I've read alot where they interfere with the front driveshaft.
I also spoke to a friend who had them installed, and the installer never spoke to him about any clearance issues.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2015 | 01:14 AM
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I didn't even realize that was a link. I'm suprised the Hughes is flowing so little CFM. Makes me rethink my choice on the Airgap.

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Yeah the occasional Class 6 road here and there. She's not afraid to get a little dirty. I read that entire forum, WN had posted up before. I think I'm sold on that M1. I think with some EQ 2.02 heads, cam, exhaust and others, this will be additive to the whole set-up.

I do like to have low-end, on the occasional boat tow or especially when cruising on the highway.

The only part of that thread I was lost about is when they talked about EGR. I don't really understand that. I know its a Exhaust Gas Recirculation, but not sure if I will require it or not. Pretty significant price difference between the EGR and Non-EGR.


Did you not see that the Air Gap cfm is well above the stock intake? It's not like it falls on its face. Alot of people here report good results. However, that is all they know and likewise all I know of my own M1 2bbl. Problem is finding M1 2bbl...not made new anymore.

Of the 2, torque is out of the equation anyways. They don't contribute enough to amount to a hill of beans. If you think you're gonna get hung up on torque, you're not looking at your package together. You said street application...so what tire size will you stick with plus gear ratio? Those things will have an immediate impact on torque if matched properly.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2015 | 10:15 AM
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And it is not about having the biggest/most/highest... any successful build is about matching the components to work together well.

If you're not building a high RPM race motor, then the highest CFM flow rate manifold isn't going to be any better for you than one of the lesser flow rate manifolds... remember, these max flow rate numbers are what the manifold is capable of... your engine may never flow that amount because of other component restrictions, or you never use it at the top of its RPM range... in fact, looking at the runner length for your application might make more sense than the CFM.

The same goes for choosing larger or smaller valves in your heads... the large valve will flow more at max RPM, but at lower RPM (where you'll be typically running your engine) with a big valve the velocity of the air entering the cylinder will be slow meaning you don't get the best scavenge, and therefore less usable power.

Bigger is not always best...
 
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Old Jan 25, 2015 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Wh1t3NuKle
Did you not see that the Air Gap cfm is well above the stock intake? It's not like it falls on its face. Alot of people here report good results. However, that is all they know and likewise all I know of my own M1 2bbl. Problem is finding M1 2bbl...not made new anymore.

Of the 2, torque is out of the equation anyways. They don't contribute enough to amount to a hill of beans. If you think you're gonna get hung up on torque, you're not looking at your package together. You said street application...so what tire size will you stick with plus gear ratio? Those things will have an immediate impact on torque if matched properly.
Just the price difference also kind of sold me on the M1 over the AirGap. I was always %100 AirGap but kind of ignored the M1. I'm not going to crazy torque, but I don't want to put it out of the equation completely as it is still a truck, but I'm sure that brand new 5.9 and anything I do to it will be a night and day difference to my 5.2.

I'm running 295/75/16 which equates to like 33.7in. I plan on sticking with this tire size. I have 3.55 gears right now, which I really hate but hopefully by summer time that'll change. I'm on the fence about either 4.10 or 4.56. I did some calculations, with 4.10 I'll run just about 2k rpm at 70, and with the 4.56 I'll run about 2200rpm at 70. I'm not too sure. I pretty much do equal highway and around town, maybe a little more around town.
I dorm at school 5 days a week and travel back and forth every week 50 miles each way so just about 100miles in highway each week, but I do travel from Long Island to N.H. a few times a year, and upstate New York. I do drive around town never often hitting overdrive on the weekends and all during the summer, and do some hauling of scrap metal and such occasionally so I'm really drawn between the two gear ratios.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2015 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Spillage
And it is not about having the biggest/most/highest... any successful build is about matching the components to work together well.

If you're not building a high RPM race motor, then the highest CFM flow rate manifold isn't going to be any better for you than one of the lesser flow rate manifolds... remember, these max flow rate numbers are what the manifold is capable of... your engine may never flow that amount because of other component restrictions, or you never use it at the top of its RPM range... in fact, looking at the runner length for your application might make more sense than the CFM.

The same goes for choosing larger or smaller valves in your heads... the large valve will flow more at max RPM, but at lower RPM (where you'll be typically running your engine) with a big valve the velocity of the air entering the cylinder will be slow meaning you don't get the best scavenge, and therefore less usable power.

Bigger is not always best...
Okay I understand what you're saying, now what does runner length really have to do with anything? If its what I'm thinking, the shorter the more top-end I'll get?

I am typically a slow driver, more or less just like to baby my truck, but every now and again I like to get on it. Do you think there will be a big torue difference with 1.92 valves vs 2.02?

I was talking to a guy at a local engine shop the other day and he said I won't really notice a heck of a lot with the larger 2.02 valves, but that's just what he has said.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2015 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dean98ram1500
I'm not disagreeing with you about head bolts, but why should I upgrade? I'm more so uninformed about the upgrade.
Don't need to go with the ARP headbolts, but should use a new head bolt set when removing the heads.
The ARPs are just a nice quality product, they have beveled washers to get a smooth accurate toque.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2015 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by dean98ram1500
Okay I understand what you're saying, now what does runner length really have to do with anything? If its what I'm thinking, the shorter the more top-end I'll get?
It's not that you're getting "more" at the top end, just that what you do get is at the top end, rather than in the middle where you're likely to use it.
Longer runners will give better torque (needed for acceleration) and put your peek HP at a lower RPM than a short runner.

Originally Posted by dean98ram1500
I am typically a slow driver, more or less just like to baby my truck, but every now and again I like to get on it. Do you think there will be a big torque difference with 1.92 valves vs 2.02?

I was talking to a guy at a local engine shop the other day and he said I won't really notice a heck of a lot with the larger 2.02 valves, but that's just what he has said.
This goes to my point... in your other reply you say you plan on being in the 2000-2200rpm range at 70mph... you say that you drive slower and like to baby your motor, but you're selecting parts and building something that has it's performance at 5000rpm and above.
This is why your shop guy is telling you wont notice the difference in having bigger valves... even at 4500rpm, you haven't reached the maximum flow rate of the 1.92" valves... that's almost twice as hard as you on plan driving.

When I get into mine with hard acceleration, I'm lucky to make it to 3500rpm... on 265/75/16's with 3.55 axle I'm in the vicinity of 2000rpm at 65mph and 2200rpm at 75mph.
 

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