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Anyway to Confirm a Bad PCM - 96 Ram 5.9

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Old 11-05-2016, 09:25 PM
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I recently cleaned the throttle body and replaced the 3 sensors on my 96 Ram 2500 5.9l (auto, 4x4). Unfortunately, when I went to start her up I noticed the check engine light was on with error code 24 - tps out of range. I verified I had installed the tps sensor correctly. I then pulled the connector from the TPS and found 5v on the outer contacts, which is normal, but also found I had 5v coming from the center signal wire on the connector (i.e., not from the tps itself) which is not normal. I assume these 5v coming from the PCM is the cause of my error code. I traced this signal wire to pin 23 of the PCM (black) and there were no shorts.

My trouble shooting guide suggests that this is a symptom of a bad PCM but I wanted to check with others before I lay out the $$$$ for a new computer. Is there anything else I should/could check or another way to test the PCM? I know it seems strange that this problem would popup after I messed with the TB and all those sensors. Any feedback would be appreciated!

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if you don't have continuity between any of the three wires, with both ends unplugged, and you still get 5v on the signal wire with the TPS unplugged, that does indicate a bad PCM......
 
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Thanks HeyYou!

Just to clarify, by both ends you mean the tps and the PCM connector, right?


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if you don't have continuity between any of the three wires, with both ends unplugged, and you still get 5v on the signal wire with the TPS unplugged, that does indicate a bad PCM......
 
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It is good to keep a spare PCM handy if you plan to keep the truck a while. I found that out the hard way once when I bricked my PCM with a faulty SCT tune. You can typically find a good used PCM at a reasonable price on eBay or locally at a pick+pay style salvage yard.
 
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Originally Posted by 3badbirds
I recently cleaned the throttle body and replaced the 3 sensors on my 96 Ram 2500 5.9l (auto, 4x4). Unfortunately, when I went to start her up I noticed the check engine light was on with error code 24 - tps out of range. I verified I had installed the tps sensor correctly. I then pulled the connector from the TPS and found 5v on the outer contacts, which is normal, but also found I had 5v coming from the center signal wire on the connector (i.e., not from the tps itself) which is not normal. I assume these 5v coming from the PCM is the cause of my error code. I traced this signal wire to pin 23 of the PCM (black) and there were no shorts.

My trouble shooting guide suggests that this is a symptom of a bad PCM but I wanted to check with others before I lay out the $$$$ for a new computer. Is there anything else I should/could check or another way to test the PCM? I know it seems strange that this problem would popup after I messed with the TB and all those sensors. Any feedback would be appreciated!

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the pcm may run a bias voltage on the signal wire and that is what you are reading with the connector unplugged. this is normal on all the new trucks. the new trucks measure 5 on the ref, 5 on the signal and 0 on the grd. with the connector unplugged you should set a circuit high dtc. when the signal is jumpered to the grd wire...you should set a circuit low dtc. if this is the case the wiring is good, replace the tps...if the dtc stills sets, replace the pcm.
 
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Originally Posted by AtomicDog
It is good to keep a spare PCM handy if you plan to keep the truck a while. I found that out the hard way once when I bricked my PCM with a faulty SCT tune. You can typically find a good used PCM at a reasonable price on eBay or locally at a pick+pay style salvage yard.
I know these computers control a lot of functions. If I go the used route do you have to make sure there is an exact match above and beyond the year and engine model. For example, do I need to check that the donor truck has the same transmission, speed control, 4x4, non-California emissions, etc???? My buddy had a spare PCM for his 97 Ram with the same engine and when we swapped it in my 96 truck it would just crank..
 
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Same engine and trans, and emissions equipment, the rest doesn't really matter. Getting one from a 96 would be best.... I think parts stores sell remans for around 250 or so.... they come with a warranty.
 
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Thanks to everyone for their help! More to come.....
 
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Originally Posted by primem
the pcm may run a bias voltage on the signal wire and that is what you are reading with the connector unplugged. this is normal on all the new trucks. the new trucks measure 5 on the ref, 5 on the signal and 0 on the grd. with the connector unplugged you should set a circuit high dtc. when the signal is jumpered to the grd wire...you should set a circuit low dtc. if this is the case the wiring is good, replace the tps...if the dtc stills sets, replace the pcm.
Great info there! Nice to know, thanks!
 



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