1995 Dodge Ram 1500 5.9 - rough engine above 2000 RPM
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1995 Dodge Ram 1500 5.9 - rough engine above 2000 RPM
Hello.
I have a 1995 Dodge Ram 1500 V8-360 5.9 Liter.
It has been working fine up until last week. I had just left, driving down the road and it started to falter, sputter and lose power above 2000 RPM. I brought it back and started to diagnose the problem.
The fuel pressure stays steady at 40 PSI, it doesn't change at all at idle or acceleration. There may be a fuel pressure regulator, I have not checked. All the components of the fuel system (filter, pump) are one unit in the tank and I have not replaced that yet, I am hoping I do not have to do that.
I just replaced the crankshaft position sensor because that is apparently a common problem, but it did not solve the issue.
Compression is consistent for all cylinders at about 115-125 PSI.
No oil in the throttle body, not likely a gasket issue, no burning (or at least not much) of oil. My levels are not changing.
No codes. It has an OBD 1 (not 2) - no codes present and no check engine light.
I have not pulled the injectors yet.
Pulled the connector to the O2 sensor on the catalytic converter, no change. I also "banged" on the catalytic converter - no noise potentially indicating it is not a problem with the catalytic converter.
The truck will idle at about 900-1000 and be fine for about 5 minutes until it warms up. OR if I try to increase the RPMs (even after just starting it) the engine will start to run very rough and start to stall above 2000 RPM.
I did have a similar problem a couple years ago when I was near empty and I barely had enough power to move forward. I limped to the gas station, filled it up and it was happy. I currently have 1/4 of a tank so I don't think it is the same problem, although I did add some seafoam to the tank. I also had a cylinder misfire on my newer Chrysler van that turned out to be a bad/clogged fuel injector, but that was only affecting one cylinder, this seems to be affecting all cylinders.
This post is similar to "225365-engine-runs-rough-at-2500rpm-and-starts-to-die-at-3000-rpm.html"
I would appreciate any suggestions on what to look at next. Thanks.
I have a 1995 Dodge Ram 1500 V8-360 5.9 Liter.
It has been working fine up until last week. I had just left, driving down the road and it started to falter, sputter and lose power above 2000 RPM. I brought it back and started to diagnose the problem.
The fuel pressure stays steady at 40 PSI, it doesn't change at all at idle or acceleration. There may be a fuel pressure regulator, I have not checked. All the components of the fuel system (filter, pump) are one unit in the tank and I have not replaced that yet, I am hoping I do not have to do that.
I just replaced the crankshaft position sensor because that is apparently a common problem, but it did not solve the issue.
Compression is consistent for all cylinders at about 115-125 PSI.
No oil in the throttle body, not likely a gasket issue, no burning (or at least not much) of oil. My levels are not changing.
No codes. It has an OBD 1 (not 2) - no codes present and no check engine light.
I have not pulled the injectors yet.
Pulled the connector to the O2 sensor on the catalytic converter, no change. I also "banged" on the catalytic converter - no noise potentially indicating it is not a problem with the catalytic converter.
The truck will idle at about 900-1000 and be fine for about 5 minutes until it warms up. OR if I try to increase the RPMs (even after just starting it) the engine will start to run very rough and start to stall above 2000 RPM.
I did have a similar problem a couple years ago when I was near empty and I barely had enough power to move forward. I limped to the gas station, filled it up and it was happy. I currently have 1/4 of a tank so I don't think it is the same problem, although I did add some seafoam to the tank. I also had a cylinder misfire on my newer Chrysler van that turned out to be a bad/clogged fuel injector, but that was only affecting one cylinder, this seems to be affecting all cylinders.
This post is similar to "225365-engine-runs-rough-at-2500rpm-and-starts-to-die-at-3000-rpm.html"
I would appreciate any suggestions on what to look at next. Thanks.
Last edited by 95dr1500-5.9; 09-13-2022 at 02:40 PM. Reason: Additional notes
#3
You can still check codes, I had a 95 obd1….do the key dance trick then watch the check engine light, it will blink the code….example. It will flash check engine light 2 times, short pause then three times, that’s code 23, just look online what they are but I remember being able to pull codes up quickly online and that was 12 years ago when internet wasn’t as user friendly so to speak
#4
40 psi is a little below spec but I think it wouldn't show as a problem until way up in the RPM range, if at all.
Does it smell like unburnt gas ? One of the quirks of the earlier second gen trucks is that the PCM and the instrument cluster use separate temperature sensors. A failed PCM temp sensor makes the engine run really rich. Would be easy to check with an OBD1 dial tool but I realize these are not easy to come by nowadays (pro level tools often still have OBD1 adapters).
Does it smell like unburnt gas ? One of the quirks of the earlier second gen trucks is that the PCM and the instrument cluster use separate temperature sensors. A failed PCM temp sensor makes the engine run really rich. Would be easy to check with an OBD1 dial tool but I realize these are not easy to come by nowadays (pro level tools often still have OBD1 adapters).
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Thanks for your replies.
Yes, I remember the key switch flashing of check engine light codes many decades ago! I used to do that on some 80's cars I had IN the 1980's.
But, I also happen to have an OBD1 adapter - no codes and no check engine light at all. Whatever it is isn't throwing a code, which is odd considering the issue.
DerTruck - No, I don't smell it running that rich and this vehicle DOES have a fuel pressure regulator so it would appear that is working since the pressure is not changing.
HeyYou - I'll see if I can get the sensor out (it has probably been there for decades) and see if there is any change.
I still wonder if it is as simple as bad gas or a clogged injector.
It would be nice if there was a definitive way to determine the problem without throwing unnecessary hardware at it.
Thanks.
Yes, I remember the key switch flashing of check engine light codes many decades ago! I used to do that on some 80's cars I had IN the 1980's.
But, I also happen to have an OBD1 adapter - no codes and no check engine light at all. Whatever it is isn't throwing a code, which is odd considering the issue.
DerTruck - No, I don't smell it running that rich and this vehicle DOES have a fuel pressure regulator so it would appear that is working since the pressure is not changing.
HeyYou - I'll see if I can get the sensor out (it has probably been there for decades) and see if there is any change.
I still wonder if it is as simple as bad gas or a clogged injector.
It would be nice if there was a definitive way to determine the problem without throwing unnecessary hardware at it.
Thanks.
#6
Can your OBD1 tool show live data ? If so check coolant temp and the O2 sensor readings which might give some clues.
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Sorry for the great delay in responding but I did find the problem. As HeyYou suggested, I removed the cat O2 upstream sensor (located inside the cat) and the truck could breathe again and ran fine.
I removed the exhaust system, cut off the pipes from the cat and everything inside was busted. (Although when I banged on it, there was no rattling of broken pieces inside)
Unfortunately it is an expensive replacement so I will be purchasing a new cat for the truck shortly.
Strangely enough, the new cat's are half the size of the current cat. Everyone tells me this isn't a problem, but it seems to me there would be an air flow restriction due to the small size. We will find out soon enough.
Thanks for all the help!
I removed the exhaust system, cut off the pipes from the cat and everything inside was busted. (Although when I banged on it, there was no rattling of broken pieces inside)
Unfortunately it is an expensive replacement so I will be purchasing a new cat for the truck shortly.
Strangely enough, the new cat's are half the size of the current cat. Everyone tells me this isn't a problem, but it seems to me there would be an air flow restriction due to the small size. We will find out soon enough.
Thanks for all the help!
#10
For what its worth, I decided to upgrade to 3" exhaust (from the cat to the back) when my cat became old and worn out. The parts I used are as follows:
Dynomax UltraFlo Welded Muffler - 17233
Magnaflow Converter - 99047HM (dual 2" inlets, 3" outlet, front O2 sensor port)
I took these items to a local exhaust shop and they added the 3" straight pipe I needed, along with fabricating/bending a 3" tailpipe (plus adding an O2 bung in the 3" pipe behind the converter for the downstream O2 sensor) and welded everything up. The shop re-used my stock Y-pipe and welded it into the new converter. Truck feels powerful and the exhaust is tight and quiet.
Dynomax UltraFlo Welded Muffler - 17233
Magnaflow Converter - 99047HM (dual 2" inlets, 3" outlet, front O2 sensor port)
I took these items to a local exhaust shop and they added the 3" straight pipe I needed, along with fabricating/bending a 3" tailpipe (plus adding an O2 bung in the 3" pipe behind the converter for the downstream O2 sensor) and welded everything up. The shop re-used my stock Y-pipe and welded it into the new converter. Truck feels powerful and the exhaust is tight and quiet.