11 R/T Smoking at startup
I have a 2012 Citadale with 200 miles and noticed this last weekend. I was a little confused and now the catch can makes sense but like Phoenix RT said, why didn't the engineers figure this out since this engine has been around for such a long time?
I guess we'll just have to keep an eye out on the oil level. Would synthetic oil make this worse in the long run? I usually run synthetic through all my cars but I'm still debating on this big 5.7 liter engine, seems like its not a high compression engine from what I thought.
I guess we'll just have to keep an eye out on the oil level. Would synthetic oil make this worse in the long run? I usually run synthetic through all my cars but I'm still debating on this big 5.7 liter engine, seems like its not a high compression engine from what I thought.
The engineers don't have anything to figure out. The routing is done this way as one of the emission controls.
Vaporized oil from the crankcase is sent into the intake to be more thoroughly burned through combustion.
This is one of the reasons for the recommended 89 octane. I have a 2008 HEMI Charger (with lifetime powertrain warranty) and it still pulls strong as hell, so it's not a problem. The catch can isn't required, but some folks just feel more comfortable capturing and disposing of that vaporized oil/contaminants rather than feeding it back into the engine.
Vaporized oil from the crankcase is sent into the intake to be more thoroughly burned through combustion.
This is one of the reasons for the recommended 89 octane. I have a 2008 HEMI Charger (with lifetime powertrain warranty) and it still pulls strong as hell, so it's not a problem. The catch can isn't required, but some folks just feel more comfortable capturing and disposing of that vaporized oil/contaminants rather than feeding it back into the engine.
Makes sense, would that mean that running synthetic will have less of this? I thought Synthetic had a higher flash point for boiling than normal oil.
I wouldn't figure that if it was anything wrong that they will just let it go for so long. Also, it seems like the fact that there are different tolerance variances that the word 'normal' can be very relative especially to a vehicle owner.
I wouldn't figure that if it was anything wrong that they will just let it go for so long. Also, it seems like the fact that there are different tolerance variances that the word 'normal' can be very relative especially to a vehicle owner.
Hey follow owners, I also have a 2011 5.7 Hemi Durango that smokes on start up. If I park in my driveway that's on a incline. It doesn't matter if the truck is hot or cold. At times the smoke is so bad the smoke covers the hole truck. I had this problem from day one and had it at the dealership a few times. The dealership states they're aware of the problem and they are working on designing a new oil pan that will fix the problem. Have you guy get the same answer from your dealer? I think my dealer is blowing smoke up my butt!!
jadeashlyn,
Add an oil catch can, very common modification for the 5.7L, and you should be fine. No latent oil getting in there via blow-by and then no oil to burn at startup thus no smoke.
A $100 fix, an hours labor, done.
Hope that helps,
IndyDurango
Add an oil catch can, very common modification for the 5.7L, and you should be fine. No latent oil getting in there via blow-by and then no oil to burn at startup thus no smoke.
A $100 fix, an hours labor, done.
Hope that helps,
IndyDurango
Jade,
It is true they are working on an oil pan fix for the problem. However, it has also been determined that some cases of smoke at startup is related to a missing or broken o-ring on the PCV. I found this in the tech files.
Symptom/Vehicle Issue: Blue Smoke From Exhaust During Engine Start
Diagnosis:
1. Remove PCV valve.
2. Inspect for presence of both upper and lower PCV Valve O-Rings.
3. If either O-ring is cut or missing replace PCV valve
4. Verify that the “smoke” is actually blue in color and is the odor of burning oil and not “white”
smoke which is considered normal water condensation. White smoke that has an odor of
burning coolant will require pressure testing of the cooling system.
5. Verify that the engine has the correct oil level with vehicle on level ground, allow at least
20-30 minutes after engine shut down for complete oil drain back before checking oil level.
6. Inspect make up air hose for restriction due to kinking or collapse.
7. Inspect for collapsed rubber hose at the manifold vacuum source for the PCV valve.
Parts Required:
53032940AB Valve-PCV 5.7 liter
05038532AA Valve-PCV 6.4 liter
Chris,
I have called into Chrysler and they are not returning my calls, the dealer has requested more information from the techs and they will not provide anything. I am so mad right now it is not even funny.
The idea that I just spent this much money and by day 12 my vehicle is in the shop is so frustrating and should be an embarrassment to Dodge/Chrysler... their flag ship vehicle having a problem like this??
The brag this vehicle up and then it has smoke issues, heat issues, burning smells issues... it is ridiculous. Doesn't really seem like Chrysler cares to be honest?
Mean while I have been waiting for an answer my vehicle is still smoking. I bought it with a long trip planned and am terrified what else will go wrong either before or during our road trip.
So disappointed.
I have called into Chrysler and they are not returning my calls, the dealer has requested more information from the techs and they will not provide anything. I am so mad right now it is not even funny.
The idea that I just spent this much money and by day 12 my vehicle is in the shop is so frustrating and should be an embarrassment to Dodge/Chrysler... their flag ship vehicle having a problem like this??
The brag this vehicle up and then it has smoke issues, heat issues, burning smells issues... it is ridiculous. Doesn't really seem like Chrysler cares to be honest?
Mean while I have been waiting for an answer my vehicle is still smoking. I bought it with a long trip planned and am terrified what else will go wrong either before or during our road trip.
So disappointed.
Chris,
I have called into Chrysler and they are not returning my calls, the dealer has requested more information from the techs and they will not provide anything. I am so mad right now it is not even funny.
The idea that I just spent this much money and by day 12 my vehicle is in the shop is so frustrating and should be an embarrassment to Dodge/Chrysler... their flag ship vehicle having a problem like this??
The brag this vehicle up and then it has smoke issues, heat issues, burning smells issues... it is ridiculous. Doesn't really seem like Chrysler cares to be honest?
Mean while I have been waiting for an answer my vehicle is still smoking. I bought it with a long trip planned and am terrified what else will go wrong either before or during our road trip.
So disappointed.
I have called into Chrysler and they are not returning my calls, the dealer has requested more information from the techs and they will not provide anything. I am so mad right now it is not even funny.
The idea that I just spent this much money and by day 12 my vehicle is in the shop is so frustrating and should be an embarrassment to Dodge/Chrysler... their flag ship vehicle having a problem like this??
The brag this vehicle up and then it has smoke issues, heat issues, burning smells issues... it is ridiculous. Doesn't really seem like Chrysler cares to be honest?
Mean while I have been waiting for an answer my vehicle is still smoking. I bought it with a long trip planned and am terrified what else will go wrong either before or during our road trip.
So disappointed.
PM me your VIN.
Jade,
I dont blame you. The fact that you just paid 40K for a truck and guys are suggesting you just deal with it and add a catch can. That's crazy, your truck should roll off the line working properly. You should not have to modify a brand new truck not to smoke. I can not get my truck to stop shaking, its been in the shop three times. And guys on this forum are just telling me to go buy new wheels and tires to fix it. Again, the truck should work or the dealer should fix it. I should not have to drop 3K on new wheels and tires to get a brand new truck to drive without shaking. I love the truck but it should not shake and yours should not smoke-which mine has done a couple times too. Chrysler should be able to take care of these issues and they should want to. I feel your frustration buddy.
I dont blame you. The fact that you just paid 40K for a truck and guys are suggesting you just deal with it and add a catch can. That's crazy, your truck should roll off the line working properly. You should not have to modify a brand new truck not to smoke. I can not get my truck to stop shaking, its been in the shop three times. And guys on this forum are just telling me to go buy new wheels and tires to fix it. Again, the truck should work or the dealer should fix it. I should not have to drop 3K on new wheels and tires to get a brand new truck to drive without shaking. I love the truck but it should not shake and yours should not smoke-which mine has done a couple times too. Chrysler should be able to take care of these issues and they should want to. I feel your frustration buddy.
Phoenix,
Don't misunderstand. I agree with you 100%. It should not smoke nor should it shake.
However, since it does smoke... And since Chrysler engineering haven't addressed it on the 5.7L for the past years (well known issue way before you guys decided to buy their product)... it is very nice to know that the aftermarket community has an easy and simple fix to correct the situation. Nothing wrong with that.
I personally think the stock stereos have always sucked and swap them out to aftermarket as soon as practical. I know that they suck even before I buy the vehicle. Just swap and go.
As for your shake, there have been many reported shock and rubber replacements, UNDER WARRANTY, that have solved the issue. Dodge doesn't make the shock nor the rubber, so to find a subset of product used that in the end doesn't pass the mustard isn't unusual in any industry. They fix yours 1 by 1 and fire or reprimand the supplier. Then they move on. No need to toss the baby out with the bathwater and it (obviously) isn't a universal problem to require everyone to revolt. Now finding a dealer willing to help is a problem, primarily because all dealers suck. But we digress.
IndyDurango
Don't misunderstand. I agree with you 100%. It should not smoke nor should it shake.
However, since it does smoke... And since Chrysler engineering haven't addressed it on the 5.7L for the past years (well known issue way before you guys decided to buy their product)... it is very nice to know that the aftermarket community has an easy and simple fix to correct the situation. Nothing wrong with that.
I personally think the stock stereos have always sucked and swap them out to aftermarket as soon as practical. I know that they suck even before I buy the vehicle. Just swap and go.
As for your shake, there have been many reported shock and rubber replacements, UNDER WARRANTY, that have solved the issue. Dodge doesn't make the shock nor the rubber, so to find a subset of product used that in the end doesn't pass the mustard isn't unusual in any industry. They fix yours 1 by 1 and fire or reprimand the supplier. Then they move on. No need to toss the baby out with the bathwater and it (obviously) isn't a universal problem to require everyone to revolt. Now finding a dealer willing to help is a problem, primarily because all dealers suck. But we digress.
IndyDurango




