I really hate mustangs...
#103
I only have 3 pages to this post. I set it up in my personal profile that way.
Ofcourse any lighter car of the same exact hp/tq comparison will win.
Mod for Mod and a Mustang will win? Doubtful.
More mustangs as drag cars than Rams. Well that's because you said it already...Drag CAR.
Not all Mustangs are easier and foremost cheaper than a Ram. We're not in ancient times anymore. All Mustangs built 1996-current have Modular motors that are very complex compared to a standard old school pushrod and are very expensive to mod. Trust me, I own a Modular 4.6L Mustang.
NOW, you can have a 1200hp Modular Mustang and have it as a daily driver on pump gas. Cannot say the same for pushrod motors.Actually, pushrods need higher octane around 800hp.
Ofcourse any lighter car of the same exact hp/tq comparison will win.
Mod for Mod and a Mustang will win? Doubtful.
More mustangs as drag cars than Rams. Well that's because you said it already...Drag CAR.
Not all Mustangs are easier and foremost cheaper than a Ram. We're not in ancient times anymore. All Mustangs built 1996-current have Modular motors that are very complex compared to a standard old school pushrod and are very expensive to mod. Trust me, I own a Modular 4.6L Mustang.
NOW, you can have a 1200hp Modular Mustang and have it as a daily driver on pump gas. Cannot say the same for pushrod motors.Actually, pushrods need higher octane around 800hp.
This is very true!! The old 289 HiPo had 271hp using the old method of rating back in the 60's. It was carburated, had solid lifters and needed to be revved high to make power. It also got crappy gas mileage.
Take a 4.6L (only 281ci) in 3V form. It makes 315hp (SAE), has good low end torque, no lifters to adjust and get's decent gas mileage while hardly polluting the air at all!!
Add 5lbs of boost and 450hp is easy.
Although I am old school and love the 5.0, These 4.6L and 5.4L engines are easy to make good power with. My biggest complaint is that they are too large dimensionally. Larger than a 460, especially a 4V engine.
These engines really like boost and react accordingly.
Look at an ad for a Paxton Novi-SL.
Base kit for a 86-93 5.0L est 275 crank HP (hell 225 stock)
Base kit for 05-06 4.6L est 420 crank hp. (300 stock)
145 more hp from 21 less CI.
These engines are very efficient.
The little 330ci engine in the GT500KR pumps out 511hp to the wheels (rated @ 540hp) and on drag radials will run 11:49@122mph bone stock. Not bad for a 4200lb car with driver.
The much larger 7.0L (427ci) Z06 Vette is only 505hp.
As for the new Camaro, it is a poor retro attempt. The Challenger is the closest of the 3 to the original. The LSx engines are great. They are pushrod engines, but are as efficient as the Ford modulars and make great power. The new supercharged ZO6 engine pumps out 638hp. It's just a shame that such great engines are put in such crappy built cars. They always have wiring problems and other electronic gremlins.
Modern technology is great!!
Just for the record, I am not trying to argue. I have been working on cars for about 27 years and have come to know what works and what doesn't.
DirtyDog,
Although I am not a fan of the 94-98 cars, yours looks good. The engine swap is a very clean installation. I'll bet it's a blast to drive as well with those power numbers.
We'll just agree to disagree on which body style that we like.
#104
Um, I forgot to add a word there. Try "would have been". Easy to put together. What I said was not childish. I was stating a fact. NOTHING was contradicting. Get off of your high horse and sit down.
#105
As for the new Camaro, it is a poor retro attempt. The Challenger is the closest of the 3 to the original. The LSx engines are great. They are pushrod engines, but are as efficient as the Ford modulars and make great power. The new supercharged ZO6 engine pumps out 638hp. It's just a shame that such great engines are put in such crappy built cars. They always have wiring problems and other electronic gremlins.
Modern technology is great!!
Just for the record, I am not trying to argue. I have been working on cars for about 27 years and have come to know what works and what doesn't.
DirtyDog,
Although I am not a fan of the 94-98 cars, yours looks good. The engine swap is a very clean installation. I'll bet it's a blast to drive as well with those power numbers.
We'll just agree to disagree on which body style that we like.
Modern technology is great!!
Just for the record, I am not trying to argue. I have been working on cars for about 27 years and have come to know what works and what doesn't.
DirtyDog,
Although I am not a fan of the 94-98 cars, yours looks good. The engine swap is a very clean installation. I'll bet it's a blast to drive as well with those power numbers.
We'll just agree to disagree on which body style that we like.
And I too am not arguing, it's just that I have always been a fan of the Camaro, and have wanted one for as long as I can remember. If I would have the chance, I would trade my Dodge for a Chevy, assuming I haven't put too much money into it. For a smaller engine and better fuel mileage, I could have a 5.3L GM truck. But that's getting off-topic.
However, I will add to all of this hate talk on GM. GM overall produces better quality vehicles on power and looks. As with anything, each thing has little advantages over the other ones. But with fuel mileage compared to power, GM has surpassed our Dodges. I might be able to beat my buddies GMC in a race, but it wouldn't be by much, and I have more done to my truck. He also drives like a bat out of hell and gets 17 mpg 100% city driving.
#106
Have you looked at any of the specs for the new Mustangs? I wouldn't be surprised if my truck would blow it out of the water. It was only showing 300 some horsepower.
The new Camaro has a smaller engine than the Challenger, and the same 0-60 time. So when GM decides to put something bigger than the little LS2 in it, it'll blow all of the competition out of the water.
The new Camaro has a smaller engine than the Challenger, and the same 0-60 time. So when GM decides to put something bigger than the little LS2 in it, it'll blow all of the competition out of the water.
ss-426hp 0-60 4.9 sec
gt500-540hp, couldnt find the 60 time but its def. going to be quicker
this comes straight from the review. If you want to know which is the quickest of this new breed of American muscle–it's the Camaro SS. That is, until the more expensive 540 hp Ford Mustang Shelby GT 500 arrives later this year.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/4309423.html
ill take the mustang...
#107
Not anymore they aren't exactly in the same class. But that's because the Mustang can't keep up. They simply can't do it. GM on the other hand, they can. You put a 572 Big Block, and you got a winner. That's the most powerful engine out there, Mopar and Ford don't have any answer to it. Oh yea, Mopar has the 8.3L V10, but that's a V10, pushing 505 hp, the 572 is pushing either 620 or 720. GM just pushed too much power in the car to be considered pony car.
Last edited by Got_Hemi44; 03-26-2009 at 11:40 PM.
#110
Those aren't factory. They're just modified through a license agreement with Shelby. If we are going to talk about not factory, just bring in the Hennessey Viper.
http://www.hennesseyperformance.com/...ctionReq=Where
http://www.hennesseyperformance.com/...ctionReq=Where