Since I havent mentioned them in this 3 page thread, anywhere, I have to give you a little bit of grief for jumping on a chance to bash for no real reason, especially since they are a paying sponsor here. But i think i may have taken a jab myself at one point. But since you bring it up, I am not interested in the mud terrain variety of any tires. I want something all terrain with a more aggressive look than stock but i dont need to go that far.

I like the terra grapplers. But they also win out because my two other choices dont come in the size i want. My dealer will get me any tire i want, but he will push to sell goodyear duratracs. But the fact that they dont come in a 305/70/17 and the load rating of the nittos is several hundred more pounds will make me stick with the nittos.

With all that said, if/when anyone else reads this thread, go back 2 posts for my actual question here.

 

They aren't supposed to be good in mud. Anyone who buys an All-Terrain tire with the intention of using them in deep mud deserves to get stuck IMO.

I have them on my GC and will agree that they fill up real fast in deep mud and the tread is not conducive to cleaning themselves. However, they are an excellent dry trail tire and without a doubt the best wet pavement traction tire I've ever owned.

You want a tire for mud, buy a mud tire. One with big honkin', self cleaning blocks...



There are reasons the "guide" recommends a positive offset wheel. Number one, they are assuming the use of a stock size tire, one with a narrow width, which would call for a neutral or positive offset. Number two, most states have laws about the tire sticking out farther than the wheel well. Check your state, I'll bet it's against the law for the tire to extend out farther than the outermost point of the truck body. But it's almost never enforced unless deemed to be so excessive that it interferes with others on the road. In Georgia I know of one guy who was ticketed for tires extending too far outside his trucks body and this guy was dating the ex-girlfriend of the officer who wrote him the ticket. The guy fought it and the judge not only threw it out, but chastised the officer in open court for wasting her time.

With a tire in excess of 11" in width, you are going to want a neutral offset at most, once you get over 12" you need a negative offset...

On a side note, I'd question either the integrity or knowledge of a tire dealer who would recommend Duratracs on a full size truck. The weak sidewall and failures on heavier vehicles are well documented and common knowledge in the industry. I'd be finding me another dealer...

 

Thanks Hammer. If there was a better dealer around, i would use them. Small town so slim pickins. He is a goodyear dealer but he can and will get what i want and i am sticking with the nittos as my choice. Sounds like, if i go with the positive offset, i would be setting myself up for some tire rub. Thought that was the case but wanted to check one more time before ordering wheels.

Thanks

 

Hammer I think what he was referring to the Nitto Mud Grapplers. Not mentioned at all in this thread. It was just a chance to gripe about them even though it was not pertinent to this discussion whatsoever. If he was saying the Terra Grapplers suck in mud, then maybe a little more related but still not pertinent.

 

Well then I'll be honest with you, if that's the case then he don't know his proverbial a$$ from a hole in the ground. One of the strongest mud tires I've ever been around are the Nitto Mud Grapps. Suck on the street and wear down on pavement in no time BUT along with the Boggers and M/T Claws they dominate the south Georgia red clay mud pits every weekend. Been there, done that, have t-shirts around here someplace... LMAO...