I posted this in your other post about transmissions, but i put it in here as well:

"The 10k that your saving is most likely due to that Tundra does not have nearly as heavy duty axles, brakes, frame, and transmission. The tundra does not have a solid front axle, as a 2500 Ram would, also I believe it's transmission is not as strong as the HD rams, and does not have the payload a HD ram would offer.

If your comparing a Tundra to a 3/4 ton pickup- they are two completely different vehicles.

If you want similar pricing and payloads- you should be comparing the tundra to a 1/2 ton pickup."

You said you NEED a 3/4 ton truck.
...The Tundra is NOT a 3/4 ton truck.

Of course the Tundra is way cheaper than a 3/4 ton, your getting a lighter-duty truck that is not as beefy and tough as a 3/4 Pickup.

If a hemi is too little for you, and a CTD is too much for you: Then I dont know what to tell you.
I can say that I've had no problem towing and hauling with my HEMI, AND its not as beefy as the new 390HP HEMI in the new 2010 HD'S you're looking at.

 

Do you need a 3/4 ton or do you need a 8ft bed, available only in 3/4 ton? Because the Toyota is only a 1/2 ton. Can you do a short bed and pick up a trailer to haul the toys?

I will vouch for the Yota not slowing on hills pulling a load, but my 1500 does the same thing.

 

mopar6spd
thanks for the imput
as for me needing a 3/4 ton
yes about the farm, I move heavy stuff year round!
as for the 8 ft bed, again, I move big stuff often, so I need that
as for your truck towing well,
well its a stick, and you have a ton better control over the gear your using to get over a hill, where with the autos, the computer has that control!
and if you read up on a stick trans, On dodges web site,
it weights 850 + lbs more, say heavier duty!
so that is like said here, like apples to oranges to compare, might as well compare a CDT too!
they roll over hills with a load!, but 8 grand for a moror to tow on trips seldom, way too steep, 8 grand buys a lot of gas, even at 3 bucks a gallon!

and as I posted on my other post,
the tundra on paper is a 3/4 ton truck!
sure it will haul and tow less than a quote 3/4 ton truck, but 3/4 of a ton is 1500 lbs, and a tundra will hold 1700+ in the bed! and thats over 3/4 a ton!
and tow 10,000+ lbs

what i ned to move

the tundra makes more Hp, and has a bigger engine( only a little yes) it weights 850 lbs less than a ram 2500 as I want it!, but close again!

so it makes me concider it!

On PAPER its what i need
I am just iffy about the cheapness factor
$ 10 grand difference is a lot

but then when buying a dodge, the dealers will drop many grand pretty quicky
and at a toyota dealer,
they stay darn close to the MSP price!!
makes me think dodge has built in give in it!! and toyota is trying to make it as close to real price as possible!( just my 2 cents on that)

I right now have a toyota dealer willing to sell me a tundra, with a 36k sticker
and a dodge dealer with a 46k sticker
and I can get either one for the same out the door deal!( the tundra, 10 bucks a month cheaper, but again close)

so why is dodge willing to give up 10 k
and toyota holding firm!

dodge only has a $1,000 rebate!! I found many many dodge dealers having 10 grand price difference from sticker to sale! or just internt prices off the msp)

that sounds like again, there is built in loss on sticker,
or someone gets a bad deal not realizing it! and dodge make extra on them guys!
where as all the toyota dealers have been MSP close!
so who's is cheaper!

 

(not sure why they rate the 2500 engine lower then then 1500)


Bigger and more power? I think you have that wrong.....Dodge wins here... same size engine, more power....or in the 2500 more power, 1 pound less torque. I think you could call it a draw with the minimal difference.





Towing is the same 1500 Ram vs Tundra, 2500 out does the Tundra.

Your real choice is 8 foot box. You need the 2500, bigger, stronger, more payload more towing capacity then the Tundra.... or the Tundra. Choice is yours. Test drive them both and see which you like better. With incentives etc. really as long as you are happy with what you pay, does it matter where it started? And really price wise, you need to compare the 1500 to the Tundra. Yes, the Dodge is cheaper.... Toyota has a reputation for being more expensive. They also had a great reputation for reliability..... accelerator issues aside,,,

 

thanks guys for all the feedback
and I am still not sure what I want to do, I re test drive a tundra, and I like it, it feels tons better at power delivery, and shifts , all seem way better than the dodge!

as for truck of the year, RAM 2500, well, thats not a huge thing, as it compared to the GMC and the ford!, for has a crappy underpower motor(5.4 for them f-250-350's) and Gm's standard motor, is the say, the hemi rules that part
and mostly, truck of the year is a cosmedict deal! for comforts, if you ask me!
I agree the dodge is a tuff solid truck, or I would not have bought so many!
but I still KNOW there trans in these 2500's suck, and the power the hemi makes in them is not in normal driving RPM"s, and a truck that has to be in 5000+rpm to make real Hp, well if you run a truck in them rpm's long you will kill it, and gas MPH is none !!

I again have had 7+ dodge 2500's
I bought all new, and take care of them, use good oils, and don't beat the crap out of them!

my thinking is dodge needs to get off there *** and upgrade the trans, to stay on top of power the hemi makes, MAKE the hemi make power in a more usefull range!
and or add a 6.1 hemi as an option to the heavy duty line!

I don't think any of my gripes are far out there!

I know gas milage in a big heavy truck will suck! its part of the pain of having it!
but if it made power in a range of rpm's you drive, you wouldn't need to rev the crap out of it to get over a hill, or tow a load!
and if the tranny didn't lag so far between shifts( thus power loss)
gas mph would pick up some too!
and there would be a lot happier, returning customers out there!

and last
for all you 1500's owners
go drive a 2500, and you will see what I mean, your 1/2's are like sport cars compared to a 2500!
and maybe you will understand my direction a little better!
as for what I am buying, well right now, I don't know!

 

I've got a 1500 and have been towing a loaded utility trailer for the last few weekends from DC to Hampton Roads. The trailer has been weighed in at about 3000 lbs each run and I've been averaging about 12.9 MPG with my 5.7. I would think the mileage ought to be pretty similar between the 1500 and 2500. Thing tows like a champ, it's easy to forget it's back there.

 

NO, a 2500 is heavier, sits higher, and in general less aerodynamic than a 1500, thus gas mph is different, and less than a 1500!
its simple laws of gravity and resistance!

that is my point, for a heavier less aero, truck to get better gas mph, it needs a faster shifting trans, and a motor that makes more of its HP?toqure in a rmp range that 's usefull, and not one that makes power at 5 grand!
who drives at 5,000 rpm??
and no way to get mph at them rpm's!

 

I find that amazing that Toyota is sporting a big sale.......I would go buy a Lexus they are even better built. I suggest you go buy your Toyota and get that sale price and don't whine when you or your wife or one of your kids loses their job.

 

Most of you above have said pretty well everything I would have.

My last decision was between a Tundra and a Ram, and that wasn't much of a decision.

If you think the Tundra is a capable, take a look at these video's on Youtube.

If you want a small econo-car, buy Toyota.

If you want a truck, you buy domestic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jURNFshnXu0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRfE_XAk2mE

 

Wow.

Assuming that we ought to value our nation's economic success above that of all others, your sarcasm might have been a weighty one up until, oh, say, 1980.
After that, the process of globalization had already gone so far that all nations' economic interests were unavoidably intertwined.

Notice how the whole world was effected with the recent economic downturn which was precipitated buy the USA?

China and Japan own well over half of all USA's US Treasuries. You'd better hope they don't ever stumble.

World economic's is changing very rapidly recently. Keep up, or get left behind.