2010 dodge truck???
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From: Woodbridge, Ontario
Did you know the Firestones were supplied by a japanese company? Did Ford try to cover it up? No. That's the difference. All automakers have issues.... and some openly address them while others cover them up. Did you know Toyota has QUIETLY fixed dangerous defects on the assembly line while failing to tell customers who are driving around with them? Did you know Toyota will call you in for a courtesy tune up or whatever.... and then replace defective parts while they have the car... without telling the customer? They even pad the bill for other little things to make up for the time they spent fixing the secret defect!!! You compare a big domestic recall to shady actions by a foreign automaker that cost lives?
I'll just let you wallow in your ignorance. You don't deserve any better.
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From: Ontario, Canada
Wow.
Assuming that we ought to value our nation's economic success above that of all others, your sarcasm might have been a weighty one up until, oh, say, 1980.
After that, the process of globalization had already gone so far that all nations' economic interests were unavoidably intertwined.
Notice how the whole world was effected with the recent economic downturn which was precipitated buy the USA?
China and Japan own well over half of all USA's US Treasuries. You'd better hope they don't ever stumble.
World economic's is changing very rapidly recently. Keep up, or get left behind.
Assuming that we ought to value our nation's economic success above that of all others, your sarcasm might have been a weighty one up until, oh, say, 1980.
After that, the process of globalization had already gone so far that all nations' economic interests were unavoidably intertwined.
Notice how the whole world was effected with the recent economic downturn which was precipitated buy the USA?
China and Japan own well over half of all USA's US Treasuries. You'd better hope they don't ever stumble.
World economic's is changing very rapidly recently. Keep up, or get left behind.
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I don't know where you get your info, but your obviously not open to anyone telling you different, and are likely just going to dismiss whatever facts don't suit your obviously blatant bias even if I post it up for you.
I'll just let you wallow in your ignorance. You don't deserve any better.
I'll just let you wallow in your ignorance. You don't deserve any better.
Ignorance? I have been following this crap for years? You have something you want dispute? Let's hear it? Don't just waste a whole post for nothing!
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Well said. Not everyone is ignorant! Some people really just don't have a clue about truth and some people just talk to be talking. I on the other hand know what has been going on for 5 plus years. It's been going on since 2001. I have a friend who is a Toyota tech and you wouldn't believe half of what goes on!!! Toyota's perfect quality is a myth and has been for the past decade. They don't care about their customers and issue bogus fix after bogus fix. They will do ANYTHING in their power to keep the light off the electronics. When the truth comes out... it will be DEVESTATING to ther sales and the company. Serves them right. the genius's in charge should have addressed the real problem back in 2001 when it first started!! Toyota has been cheating and lying to get more and more of america's tit and it's time to stop. Play fair or pack your bags.
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Agreed about Ram being a better truck.
But Toyota is not the only company that has put profits before American lives.
If you think Toyota's bad, have you read up on Ford's reaction in regards to the Pinto debacle in the 70's, or even more recent the Ford/Firestone fiasco which was attributed to 203 deaths and over 700 injured occupants, in the United States alone?
I'm not defending Toyota, but the Domestics are not immune to the 'profits first' motto.
But Toyota is not the only company that has put profits before American lives.
If you think Toyota's bad, have you read up on Ford's reaction in regards to the Pinto debacle in the 70's, or even more recent the Ford/Firestone fiasco which was attributed to 203 deaths and over 700 injured occupants, in the United States alone?
I'm not defending Toyota, but the Domestics are not immune to the 'profits first' motto.
..... and please do explain my ignorance. Let me know what YOU think I am wrong about!! I'd be glad to debate it with someone like you.
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From: harrison, ar
Yes, I agree early hemis made the power at a higher rpm, but have you put a heavy load on a current 2500 hemi making more torque now at a lower rpm? two differant engines. close, but not the same with the new VVT engine. as for the power rating, I guess it's for more reliability that the 2500 has less. the hemi gets the same trans tho either way, would benifit alot for them to bring out a 6 speed or slighly regear the 545 5 speed, a taller drive gear like a .62 instead of a .67 would lower that cruise rpm, maybe even a higher 4th gear, like a .8 vs. the current .75. as for Tundras holding gear and pulling hills, my friend has a 5.7 double cab 4x4 tundra complete with the 4.3 gears, my TRX4 has the 3.92s, is a quad cab, 4x4, and has a Hemi. He sets his cruise on a hill at 70 and so do I (same road) his will need to rev to 3400 to get up it, where mine sees 2600 or barely over. Ok, that is in cruise, that might be alot differant without cruise on, we will maybe see the differances when I go home, we both just barely bought our trucks
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From: Camrose, Alberta, Canada
it still seems like 90% of the guys here are 1500-1/2 ton owners, and to be honest, not trying to be rude, you guys don't know much about the reality of driving/owning a 2500 hemi!
I again have had 2 ,3rd generation hem,i's in a 2500, and 5 before it with 360's!
My complaint is mostly, the fact these hemi motors make power, yes, but it makes it in the upper RPM's where you really are never at unless you are seriously stepping on it
NOW if I have a trailer behind it!, a 2 place snowmobile flat bed trailer( weights 850 lbs) and an ATV, a honda 400 forman, weights about 475 lbs! for a total of about 1300 lbs
It will dog a ton more, and this is a superlight trailer/load!
and the 1/2 to 3/4 ton, the ride hieght, and just overall height is different, and the weight, and width!
and all that adds up again to less gas mph, and less HP per pound!
and again the 2500 hemi, make 's less HP than the 1500
so figure that out! a bigger heavier, less aero truck, gets the less powerful motor?????
WHY?? where is the logic?
I again have had 2 ,3rd generation hem,i's in a 2500, and 5 before it with 360's!
My complaint is mostly, the fact these hemi motors make power, yes, but it makes it in the upper RPM's where you really are never at unless you are seriously stepping on it
NOW if I have a trailer behind it!, a 2 place snowmobile flat bed trailer( weights 850 lbs) and an ATV, a honda 400 forman, weights about 475 lbs! for a total of about 1300 lbs
It will dog a ton more, and this is a superlight trailer/load!
and the 1/2 to 3/4 ton, the ride hieght, and just overall height is different, and the weight, and width!
and all that adds up again to less gas mph, and less HP per pound!
and again the 2500 hemi, make 's less HP than the 1500
so figure that out! a bigger heavier, less aero truck, gets the less powerful motor?????
WHY?? where is the logic?
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From: BC
Clarence Ditlow; Executive Director for the Centre for Auto Safety in his statement before the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation in Washington DC, September 20, 2000[2] stated "Emerging Information shows that both Ford and Firestone had early knowledge of tread separation in Firestone Tires fitted to Ford Explorer vehicles but at no point informed the NHTSA of their findings".
The Ford Explorer was first offered for sale in March 1990. Ford internal documents show the company engineers recommended changes to the vehicle design after it rolled over in company tests prior to introduction, but other than a few minor changes, the suspension and track width were not changed. Instead, Ford, which sets the specifications for the manufacture of its tires, decided to remove air from the tires, lowering the recommended psi to 26.
Firestone has claimed that they have found no faults in design nor manufacture, and that failures have been caused by Ford's recommended tire pressure being too low and the Explorer's design. Ford, meanwhile, point out that Goodyear tires to the same specification have a spotless safety record when installed on the Explorer, although an extra liner was included into the Goodyear design after recommendations to that effect were made to Ford.
And they do not accept any blame..... how can you say they did anything different?
Sorry, I do not condone what Toyota has done, or is doing. But saying that American companies tell the truth and foreign ones don't? That is plain old fashioned racism at it's finest.
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well lots a views now!
not very many are from 3/4 ton owners, but thats OK
doggystyle,
as for me wantimng my cake and eating it too!
NO, I need a 3/4 ton truck more for weight hauling about a mostly level farm, so I really don't need a diesels ,
I would like one, but for most of what I do , all the motor, I wouldn't need, and these days with my budget, paying the up front costs, just ain't there!
I cannot get by with the loads a 1/2 ton will give me!
I do tow on a few long trips, from PA to WY> but again there I am only pulling a light trailer on these far trips, and I should be able to do that with a GAS 3/4 ton truck,
I again, could live with the crappy gas MPH, if the truck wasn't suck a dog on a hill! like it( they have been)
I wouldn't feel so bad about 8 mph, if it pulled like hourse over hills,
but again, I cannot maintain speed with a 3000 lb trailer/load over a hill!
and that sucks!!
and again, for how often I tow long ways, I cannot justify a diesel, I would like one, but cannot afford one!!
where if DODGE stepped up, and got a better trans, I think that would make a big difference!
as for raising 4 th or 5 th gear, that would only make matters worse on the towing end!
a trans that does't lag so much between shifts would help, and a motor that made more HP in a RPM range that the trucks pulls in , would be a better fix!!
a computer that monitors more differences between speed and shifts points , is a big step!
WHY DO SO MANY GUYS ON HERE ADD chips to there 1/2 tons?????
as for the width, well over all is the same on a 1/2 to a 3/4, but track on them is different, a 3/4 is wider, both front and back( yes a little, but different)
Guys, I am not buying a toyota, cannot swallow that pill as of yet!
went and looked at a Chevy, a GMC, and a ford.
and what I found out is, my local chevy/gmc dealers, don't have any 3/4 ton trucks set up like I want!
and they told me to chevy and Gmc are not making any more 2010's, I have to wait for a 2011, and need to come back in 3-4 months to get a price!
and FORD!!!! well my local dealers told me they too don't have any 2010's, as ford is re-doing the f-250/350's! so they stoppted makeing them for 2010.
and get this, I was told by an HONEST sales person,
to not buy a 2010, having too many issues, and that in all honestly, not to buy a 2011, and I should wait till 2012, YES 2 yrs to buy a Ford, to get all the bugs out of it!!
I was shocked a saleman would tell me that, but appreciated the honestly!
so, NOW all I have left to buy if I buy is a dodge!!
thsi economy sucks!!
here I am looking to buy, and there are none out there!!
and yes, my local gm/chevy dealers didn't want to do a search for me to try to even find me one, and that just made me want to stay a way from them! what kind of service would I get, if they ain't even willing to work for the sale!
I don't know, maybe just stick to what I have for now!
as GM and Ford have all new trucks in the Hd line for 2010!!
who knows what will come out!
not very many are from 3/4 ton owners, but thats OK
doggystyle,
as for me wantimng my cake and eating it too!
NO, I need a 3/4 ton truck more for weight hauling about a mostly level farm, so I really don't need a diesels ,
I would like one, but for most of what I do , all the motor, I wouldn't need, and these days with my budget, paying the up front costs, just ain't there!
I cannot get by with the loads a 1/2 ton will give me!
I do tow on a few long trips, from PA to WY> but again there I am only pulling a light trailer on these far trips, and I should be able to do that with a GAS 3/4 ton truck,
I again, could live with the crappy gas MPH, if the truck wasn't suck a dog on a hill! like it( they have been)
I wouldn't feel so bad about 8 mph, if it pulled like hourse over hills,
but again, I cannot maintain speed with a 3000 lb trailer/load over a hill!
and that sucks!!
and again, for how often I tow long ways, I cannot justify a diesel, I would like one, but cannot afford one!!
where if DODGE stepped up, and got a better trans, I think that would make a big difference!
as for raising 4 th or 5 th gear, that would only make matters worse on the towing end!
a trans that does't lag so much between shifts would help, and a motor that made more HP in a RPM range that the trucks pulls in , would be a better fix!!
a computer that monitors more differences between speed and shifts points , is a big step!
WHY DO SO MANY GUYS ON HERE ADD chips to there 1/2 tons?????
as for the width, well over all is the same on a 1/2 to a 3/4, but track on them is different, a 3/4 is wider, both front and back( yes a little, but different)
Guys, I am not buying a toyota, cannot swallow that pill as of yet!
went and looked at a Chevy, a GMC, and a ford.
and what I found out is, my local chevy/gmc dealers, don't have any 3/4 ton trucks set up like I want!
and they told me to chevy and Gmc are not making any more 2010's, I have to wait for a 2011, and need to come back in 3-4 months to get a price!
and FORD!!!! well my local dealers told me they too don't have any 2010's, as ford is re-doing the f-250/350's! so they stoppted makeing them for 2010.
and get this, I was told by an HONEST sales person,
to not buy a 2010, having too many issues, and that in all honestly, not to buy a 2011, and I should wait till 2012, YES 2 yrs to buy a Ford, to get all the bugs out of it!!
I was shocked a saleman would tell me that, but appreciated the honestly!
so, NOW all I have left to buy if I buy is a dodge!!
thsi economy sucks!!
here I am looking to buy, and there are none out there!!
and yes, my local gm/chevy dealers didn't want to do a search for me to try to even find me one, and that just made me want to stay a way from them! what kind of service would I get, if they ain't even willing to work for the sale!
I don't know, maybe just stick to what I have for now!
as GM and Ford have all new trucks in the Hd line for 2010!!
who knows what will come out!