What happened to my truck!??
Dirtydog you're preaching to the choir. In all my research I looked in depth at what you did. I'm not doing the roof for now. If I want more dampening it wont be any extra work to do it then vs now. The product I'm using is significantly higher quality than than the stuff you used. In the end I'm paying more per piece but having to use less. In the doors I'm still doing 1 layer inside the door with two layers behind the speaker and the closed cell over all that. Then I'm sealing the doors and doing another layer on the outside.
The entire interior will have a layer of closed cell over the dampener.
The entire interior will have a layer of closed cell over the dampener.
Dirtydog you're preaching to the choir. In all my research I looked in depth at what you did. I'm not doing the roof for now. If I want more dampening it wont be any extra work to do it then vs now. The product I'm using is significantly higher quality than than the stuff you used. In the end I'm paying more per piece but having to use less. In the doors I'm still doing 1 layer inside the door with two layers behind the speaker and the closed cell over all that. Then I'm sealing the doors and doing another layer on the outside.
The entire interior will have a layer of closed cell over the dampener.
The entire interior will have a layer of closed cell over the dampener.
As far as quality, Raamat is good stuff no doubt as well as Second Skin.
If you are going by what everyone else is saying from hearsay or from the 10yr old sounddeadener showndown, you cannot go by either one. Edead used to be junk. Used to be tar ridden maylar backed crap. Now, it's all butyl and has a 4mil alum backing to it.
Now a few things that you prob already know by now that you';ve done your homework.
1st..The aluminum backing is critical to dissapate the heat that is generated from the structural borne noises, just like the heat sinks on an amp. The more heatsinks, the cooler and more efficient tha amp will be and the higher it can perform. So, thicker alum. backing will give much greater performance, but there is a point where the backing can be too thick to mold and mend into areas.
2nd..Density. it's all about how much weight the material can weigh per sq/ft. The heavier(denser) the material, the better the absorbtion rate will be.
Let's compare Raamat vs Edead.
.....................Thickness ....Backing thickness ......Weight
Raamat BXT .......60 mil ........2mil. Alum. .............. .35lbs per sq/ft <-standard stuff
Raamat BXT II ......? ............4 mil soft Alum. ......... .52lbs per sq/ft
Edead ...............60mil .........4mil Alum. ................ .45lbs per sq/ft
I used;
Edead................80mil ..........4mil Alum. .............. .58lbs per sq/ft
The best product for vibrational damping would be hands down Second Skins Damplifier Pro at 70mil thick and weighing a staggering .65lbs per sq/ft AND has a super thick 6mil backing. I believe the BXT II has some ashpalt in it to make the weight in such a thin shell and because Raamat doesn't give ANY info at all about their best product??? Also, i think this because it's melting point is low around 250 as Raamats website claims which is why they say use it for floors and trunkc only. True Butyls melting temp is right around 500*F. Sound deadener showdown put Dynamat Extreme(60mil) melting at like 450*.
All-in-all, 2 layers of Edead 80mil =152mil thickness of butyl and 8mil thickness of alum backing. In my doors there are 3 layers for a grand total of 228mil thickness of Butyl and 12 mil thick of alum backing. that's 1/4" thick of solid butyl.
i did all the calculation of what i would be paying per sq/ft in both weight and in volume. Neither Raamat or Second Skin could compete with the price I paid for my Edead. So, your paying more per piece AND actually needing slightly more.
Now, you are going one step further than what i did by doing the CCF. Again, the only reason i didn't buy the stuff is because i was more concerned with vibrations AND the fact that there is lots of CCF under the carpet of the rams. Atleast my '08 there is. It's like 3/8" thick plus there is a layer of rubber in between that and the carpet fibers. new vehicles are becoming more and more equipt with sound control products so i figured i was one step closer than most.
As for the roof, there were a few studies and some very detailed reviews regarding the roof. Driving down the highway, more noise is carried into the vehicle through the roof than what you realize. The main reason I did it is because the roof is like a big flopping metal sheet and i wanted to "stiffen' it up and reduce the echoic sound of rain hitting it. OMG, just for the rain itself, i can actually hear my wife whisper while driving down the highway in heavy rain where as before the damn roof made so much freakin noise it was disgusting. Just something to keep in mind.
FYI, might be a really tight fit doing 2 layers behind the door panel. Just with 1 layer of 80mil, my panels are a tight squeeze. I would actually stick the CCF to the door panels themselves rather than to the door due to the tight tolerances with the moldings/panels.
Sorry for the never ending story/comparison, but you asked for it!

I never said my stuff was better or knocked your chit either. I don't play like that. Don't for one second think that your ride is going to drastically improve because it won't. That's all i was trying to say. Most guys expect waaaay more than what comes of the stuff and they think if they pay more, the end result is better. partially right. Good product is needed, but a great application is a must.
Last edited by dirtydog; Jun 14, 2010 at 03:17 PM.
Make sure you install a ventilation system while you're at it. Otherwise you may pass out from carbon dioxide poisoning during road trips with the windows up. Jeeez!!
That's impressive work, but what about the sound introduced from the windows? I've worked on a Mercedes Benz that had double pane glass for that reason. It was trully amazing. Like Ace Ventura's balcony scene, LOL. If you're going that extreme, it may be worth looking into custom glass....$$$$$$$$$
That's impressive work, but what about the sound introduced from the windows? I've worked on a Mercedes Benz that had double pane glass for that reason. It was trully amazing. Like Ace Ventura's balcony scene, LOL. If you're going that extreme, it may be worth looking into custom glass....$$$$$$$$$
theres no way on earth im getting double paned glass. this build is NOT that extreme lol. this build isnt even that extreme at all. Its definitely still a budget build, but its done right without corners being cut.
Todays update:
finished doing the prep wiring for the new speakers and then put down all the sound damplifier on the floor. Tomorrow will be sealing the doors with aluminum sheet metal/screws, dampening the doors, putting in the closed cell foam and putting the carpet back on. If im able to finish all that, i'll start making custom speaker brackets (using 6.5" instead of 6x9) and starting the subwoofer box frame
finished doing the prep wiring for the new speakers and then put down all the sound damplifier on the floor. Tomorrow will be sealing the doors with aluminum sheet metal/screws, dampening the doors, putting in the closed cell foam and putting the carpet back on. If im able to finish all that, i'll start making custom speaker brackets (using 6.5" instead of 6x9) and starting the subwoofer box frame
Man after seeing all this Im almost depressed about my install now. I think if I was gonna go through this much trouble I'd have done a blowthrough box. Im anxious to see how this turns out though






