so as the title suggests, i am working on putting a 2013 HEMI into my 2006 Charger.

to start i bought this car for 400 dollars. guy is Navy and transferred to Cali from Virginia and couldn't afford to fix and ship the car. it is an R/T car with 107xxx miles. the 06 motor that came out of the charger has 2 holes in the block and 5 snapped rods. he sucked up a ton of water and destroyed the motor. upon pulling the motor i also found it was a rebuilt Jasper motor. so it was already on its 2nd motor. the cam is the only rotating part that doesnt look completely trashed.

i purchased the 2013 motor for 200 bucks from a wrecked cop car. and yes i did haul the motor 240 miles with my 2002 jetta TDI in the little trailer. still got 36 MPGS doing it. i had put the 13 motor into the car and tried to start it. everything on the 2013 motor connected to the 06 harness except the vvt solenoid. which i plan to lock in place so it wont function anyways. i also had to put the 2006 throttle body on the 2013 motor.

i pulled the 13 motor back out after finding the 06 motor has a 32 tooth reluctor wheel on the crank and the 2013 has a 58 tooth. i pulled both motors apart to get to the reluctor wheels. from what i found online the 2013 reluctor should have a 4 bolt design. however mine has 3 bolts like the 2006 crank reluctor.

i would simply put the 06 reluctor on the 13 crank if the reluctor wasn't damaged. however it has a smashed tooth from the snapped rods. and it has a little less material than the 13 wheel. so i'm worried balancing would be an issue.

does anyone have any info on all of this?? as far as i know if the crank signal and the cam signals are the same between the motors, fuel and spark should work properly. i know this is a lot to read. i am also posting pics with this post. so i they dont work please let me know.
























And now for pics of the 2013 motor!!! what concerns me the most is the noticable wear on the thrust bearings and the number 2 main cap bearing.













And this are the differences between the two reluctor wheels. the 2013 wheel has the writing on it and has 58 teeth. the 2006 has no writing and 32 teeth and 1 smashed tooth...

 

You do know that they aren't really interchangeable, right? Your '06 engine is fairly simple with MDS. The '13 engine not only has MDS but VVT (Variable Valve Timing) as well. Trying to transfer the '06 reluctor wheel to the '13 engine will actually make things worse, as your '06 PCM will have issues running the newer engine since it doesn't have the ability to run the VVT, not to mention the newer engine has more cam (on top of the VVT) and more compression than your original. Had you simply tried to drop the '13 engine in you would've needed harness and PCM (at minimum) plus the ability to flash modules to get it to work. I got a quote from Muscle Motors just to see what it would cost to put a newer factory 392 into my '06 R/T. Minus the cost of the engine (you have to buy the engine from them) labor and parts costs were over $5000.

 

Yep, you're going down the wrong street. Not gonna work like you hoped it would.


Got one in the shop now that a guy dropped a 2014 in a 2008.

 

Well that's depressing.

 

Not entirely. His runs but the crank sensor state is "out of sync" 100% of the time. Cranks for about 12-15 seconds before it will start. I DID have a 2009 Challenger Hemi PCM (that IS VVT) I swapped to it for him and it made matters worse, likely because he has the 2009 Harness still in it tha is NGC 4 connector. The 13 and this guy's 14 use a GPEC PCM, which is only 2 connectors. I'm relatively certain the crank location is different PLUS the sensor part numbers/harness are also different.




I would have to sit for a couple hours or so, stare at the diagrams and see what all has to be changed. Even if I did figure it all out, there would still be BUS codes and configuration codes out the wazzoooo ! The OP at least would have to have the GPEC PCM for the '14, the engine wiring from that '14 and have to butcher the existing harness to tie it all in. Would also have to have the new type WCM with Fobics, because a SKIM system would not start it.

 

i appreciate the response!!

so my question then, for one of these motors to run, the computer needs to read the cam and crank position sensors? right? thats been my experience. so if i have the 32 tooth on the 13 crank, why wouldn't the computer work?

for the cam i will be ordering the phaser lock out kit from comp cams part number 5760. therefore locking the cam in place. so the VVT functions will not function.

i also plan to get a custom tune for the motor.

 

I think you should be able to get a completely rebuilt Motor for under 3k. And it should have everything to work. Then you would have a totally sick car for under 5g. I think that might be your best option.

 

I'm not 100% on the cam/crank relation issues between Hemi generations. It might actually just be a sensor type change. I can poke around on Techconnect and see what's what.


In addition, I would try and see if you can get the VIN from the donor car because there might have been a timing chain recall on it. If it hasn't been done, you run the risk of snapping that chain that's in it now.

 

OK, crank sensor location is the same, but crank sensor part numbers are way different. Cam sensor part numbers are the same. I can't get you the cam sprocket number, because they only come in timing kits from Mopar. That would be your foggy area.


So, if you want to make it work, you have swapped the pickup , now just use the 2008 crank sensor part number which is 05149009AA or AB

 

i will try and get the info about the vin for that recall!! i did not know that was an issue. why did they recall them??

i couldnt find motors for less than like 4k when i looked. however i got this 13 motor for 200 bucks and it ran before being pulled. that why i went with it.

thanks for the info on the cam sensor. i wasnt sure if they were the same or not yet. the wheel the sensor reads looked ot be the same so i wasnt too worried. the crank sensor i swapped over from the 06 motor as the 13 didnt have one when i got it... not sure why but the guy kept 3 or 4 sensors from the motor when he sold it to me..

now im waiting for the reluctor wheel to come in from TX. i am also going to take the crank to a machine shop and have it polished and put some new bearings in the bottom end while i have it apart.