Excessive Positive Camber
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01-05-2012 | 06:26 PM
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I'm sure you checked them...but I have to ask. Are your hub bearings tight? You must have put new ones in with the ball joints?
Toe in that was my 1st thought too.
Scrap those..I wonder if you have the wrong knuckles. I don't think you could reverse them because the brakes would be upside down. So would your tie rod tapers. But I wonder if you have some from another year ram...or something else? Any knuckle from a D60 with ball joints could interchange.
Toe in that was my 1st thought too.
Scrap those..I wonder if you have the wrong knuckles. I don't think you could reverse them because the brakes would be upside down. So would your tie rod tapers. But I wonder if you have some from another year ram...or something else? Any knuckle from a D60 with ball joints could interchange.
I too am starting to wonder if I have the wrong knuckles.
I've decided to try to find a specialized Alignment/Front End shop around here that I can take this rig to. On saturday I'm going to try to sneak it on our alignment rack, see where the toe is at, and adjust that if needed. Then I'm going to print out the sheet and I'll post the results on here. I'm starting to wonder as well if my frame is bent. Although I'm not sure if that would cause this camber or if it would dog track. I had my buddy follow me and as far as he can tell, it doesn't dog track.
Yes, crossed refranced the part numbers with OE numbers. They are correct.
Did you compare them to the old ones when you took them off?
Did the hub bearings seat all the way around when you put them back on?
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01-05-2012 | 09:40 PM
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My buddy just poked his head under my truck and had a thought.
Could my knuckles be cheap aftermarket ones? He said the rust on the knuckles looks pitted and rougher than the axkle "c's" which it does. He also mentioned he had to replace the knuckles on his toyota truck at one point (i know its different but hear me out). And when he replaced his knuckles with the aftermarket ones, he had the same problem with camber. He put OEM ones on and problem solved.
Either way I'm taking it to a specialized shop. Can't afford to throw parts at it. But this idea he had would make a lot of sense.
Also, the axle measured out straight again. No difference between the sides.
Could my knuckles be cheap aftermarket ones? He said the rust on the knuckles looks pitted and rougher than the axkle "c's" which it does. He also mentioned he had to replace the knuckles on his toyota truck at one point (i know its different but hear me out). And when he replaced his knuckles with the aftermarket ones, he had the same problem with camber. He put OEM ones on and problem solved.
Either way I'm taking it to a specialized shop. Can't afford to throw parts at it. But this idea he had would make a lot of sense.
Also, the axle measured out straight again. No difference between the sides.
#35
01-05-2012 | 09:41 PM
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The frame condition and toe in won't impact camber. You can disconnect the tie rods and it won't affect camber but it won't hurt to check it.
If you decide to throw parts at it then give these guys a call to see what they want for the knuckles. http://mintonmotorsinc.com/new_arrivals.html That is if you can't find some in a junk yard.
If you decide to throw parts at it then give these guys a call to see what they want for the knuckles. http://mintonmotorsinc.com/new_arrivals.html That is if you can't find some in a junk yard.
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01-06-2012 | 10:03 AM
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My buddy just poked his head under my truck and had a thought.
Could my knuckles be cheap aftermarket ones? He said the rust on the knuckles looks pitted and rougher than the axkle "c's" which it does. He also mentioned he had to replace the knuckles on his toyota truck at one point (i know its different but hear me out). And when he replaced his knuckles with the aftermarket ones, he had the same problem with camber. He put OEM ones on and problem solved.
Either way I'm taking it to a specialized shop. Can't afford to throw parts at it. But this idea he had would make a lot of sense.
Also, the axle measured out straight again. No difference between the sides.
Could my knuckles be cheap aftermarket ones? He said the rust on the knuckles looks pitted and rougher than the axkle "c's" which it does. He also mentioned he had to replace the knuckles on his toyota truck at one point (i know its different but hear me out). And when he replaced his knuckles with the aftermarket ones, he had the same problem with camber. He put OEM ones on and problem solved.
Either way I'm taking it to a specialized shop. Can't afford to throw parts at it. But this idea he had would make a lot of sense.
Also, the axle measured out straight again. No difference between the sides.
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01-06-2012 | 12:42 PM
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01-06-2012 | 06:15 PM
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Zman, I'll grab a build sheet and post it.
Merc, I'll get those numbers for you tonight if I can see them or tomorrow morning. Ball joints receipt is the glove box, so I'll grab that too.
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01-07-2012 | 07:14 PM
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Here is the build sheet. Doesn't say what axles came on it, so Not sure if that's what you wanted to know Zman.
Sales Code Description
*DP Leather Trim 40/20/40 Bench Seat
-K9 Camel/Tan
ADAP Light Group
ADJP Heavy Duty Service Group
AHC Trailer Tow Group
AHD Heavy Duty Snow Plow Prep Group
AHLP Heavy Duty Insulation Group
AJD Leather Interior Group
AJKP Convenience Group
APAS Monotone Paint
ASPP SLT Decor Group
AWKP Travel Convenience Group
A42P 5.9l TD ENG(ETC)/4SPD A/T 47RE(DGP)
BAZP 136 Amp Alternator
BCQP 750 Amp Maintenance Free Battery
BGJS Pwr Disc/Drum Rr Anti-Lock Brakes
BKBS Rear Drum Brakes
CBEP 40/20/40 Split Bench Seat
CGDS Front Height Adjust Shoulder Belts
CGWS Next Generation Front Air Bags**
CGZS Passenger Air Bag On/Off Switch
CHEP Deluxe Headliner
CKEP Front Seat Area Carpet
CLAP Front Floor Mats
CSPS Passenger Assist Handle
CSRP Passenger Assist Handles
CUSP Overhead Console w/Trip Computer
CUVS Behind Seat Modular Storage System
CUYS Storage Tray
CXDP Trim Parts For 'SLT' CPOS
DGB All 4-Speed Automatic Transmissions
DGPS 4-Spd. Automatic 47RE Transmission
DHAP Lock-Up Torque Converter
DHGP Shift-on-the-Fly,241HD Transfer Case
DJFS Dana M60/248MM Front Axle
DMDP 3.55 Rear Axle Ratio
DREP Dana M70/267MM Rear Axle
EAAC All Engines
ETC 5.9L I6 Cummins 24V Diesel Engine
GACS Tinted Glass Windows
GFD Rear Sliding Window
GNCP Sun Visors w/Illum Vanity Mirrors
GNKP Rear View Auto Dim Mirror
GTSP Power Heated Mirrors, Fold-Away
GVBC All Vehicles W/Power Mirrors
HAAP Air Conditioning
HGAP Hood Insulation
HGBS Dash Liner Insulation
HGDP Deluxe Insulation Group
JAYS Instrument Cluster w/Tach
JBBP Instrument Panel Woodgrain Bezel
JCBS 120 MPH Primary Speedometer
JHAS Var Intermittent Windshield Wipers
JJAS Cigar Lighter
JJBS Dual Note Electric Horns
JJJS 12V Auxiliary Power Outlet
JPBP Power Locks
JPDP Power Windows, Driver One-Touch
JPSP Power 6-Way Driver Seat
JRDP Power Driver Seat
KRAS STRIPE/BADGE/MOLDING/COLOR
KTAS STRIPE/BADGE/MOLDING/COLOR
K1XP STRIPE/BADGE/MOLDING/COLOR
K17P STRIPE/BADGE/MOLDING
LBAP Map/Courtesy Lamp
LBCP Glove Box Lamp
LDAS Underhood Lamp
LMAS Halogen Headlamps
LNC Clearance Lamps
LPES Cargo Lamp
MBFS Bright Rear Bumper
MCTS Bright Front Bumper
MDAP Front License Plate Bracket
MFDS Bright Grille
MHAS Black Windshield Moldings
MPBP Black Tailgate Applique
MWDS Removable Tailgate w/Caliper Latches
MXCP Front Bumper Sight Shields
NAA Federal Emissions
NBLP Delete EVAP Control System
NFVS 35 Gallon Fuel Tank
NHBP Auxiliary Transmission Oil Cooler
NHKP Engine Block Heater
NHMP Speed Control
NMCP Heavy Duty Engine Cooling
PX8A Black Clear Coat
QX8S Black Clear Coat
RAAC All Radio Equipped Vehicles
RAZ AM/FM Cassette Compact Disc Radio
RCEP Infinity Speakers
RDDP Fixed Long Mast Antenna
SBAS Power Rack and Pinion Steering
SCVP Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel
SFBS Front Heavy Duty Shock Absorbers
SGBS Rear Heavy Duty Shock Absorbers
SHAS Front Stabilizer Bar
SUAP Tilt Steering Column
TBBS Full Size Spare Tire
TBMP Tire Carrier Winch
TXFP LT265/75R16E BSW All Season Tires
TZHP Michelin Brand Tires
WDZP 16X8.0 Forged Aluminum Wheels
WLBP Steel Spare Wheel
WMJP Center Hub
XBSS Pickup Box
XCMS Vendor Painted Cargo Box
XEFP Transfer Case Skid Plate Shield
YAAS Build To U.S. Mkt. Specifications
Also, went to look at a 3500 4x4 dually gaser today to possible buy the knuckles off of, and they look a bit different than the ones on my truck. The upper ball joint tapered seat on the knuckle is actually lower in height from the top of the hub to the top of the knuckle, and also the back side of the hub is closer to the axle "c".
*EDIT* Crap now i'm looking at my pictures again and I'm thinking the upper ear on the axle "c's" is actually bent upwards. Does that look right?
Sales Code Description
*DP Leather Trim 40/20/40 Bench Seat
-K9 Camel/Tan
ADAP Light Group
ADJP Heavy Duty Service Group
AHC Trailer Tow Group
AHD Heavy Duty Snow Plow Prep Group
AHLP Heavy Duty Insulation Group
AJD Leather Interior Group
AJKP Convenience Group
APAS Monotone Paint
ASPP SLT Decor Group
AWKP Travel Convenience Group
A42P 5.9l TD ENG(ETC)/4SPD A/T 47RE(DGP)
BAZP 136 Amp Alternator
BCQP 750 Amp Maintenance Free Battery
BGJS Pwr Disc/Drum Rr Anti-Lock Brakes
BKBS Rear Drum Brakes
CBEP 40/20/40 Split Bench Seat
CGDS Front Height Adjust Shoulder Belts
CGWS Next Generation Front Air Bags**
CGZS Passenger Air Bag On/Off Switch
CHEP Deluxe Headliner
CKEP Front Seat Area Carpet
CLAP Front Floor Mats
CSPS Passenger Assist Handle
CSRP Passenger Assist Handles
CUSP Overhead Console w/Trip Computer
CUVS Behind Seat Modular Storage System
CUYS Storage Tray
CXDP Trim Parts For 'SLT' CPOS
DGB All 4-Speed Automatic Transmissions
DGPS 4-Spd. Automatic 47RE Transmission
DHAP Lock-Up Torque Converter
DHGP Shift-on-the-Fly,241HD Transfer Case
DJFS Dana M60/248MM Front Axle
DMDP 3.55 Rear Axle Ratio
DREP Dana M70/267MM Rear Axle
EAAC All Engines
ETC 5.9L I6 Cummins 24V Diesel Engine
GACS Tinted Glass Windows
GFD Rear Sliding Window
GNCP Sun Visors w/Illum Vanity Mirrors
GNKP Rear View Auto Dim Mirror
GTSP Power Heated Mirrors, Fold-Away
GVBC All Vehicles W/Power Mirrors
HAAP Air Conditioning
HGAP Hood Insulation
HGBS Dash Liner Insulation
HGDP Deluxe Insulation Group
JAYS Instrument Cluster w/Tach
JBBP Instrument Panel Woodgrain Bezel
JCBS 120 MPH Primary Speedometer
JHAS Var Intermittent Windshield Wipers
JJAS Cigar Lighter
JJBS Dual Note Electric Horns
JJJS 12V Auxiliary Power Outlet
JPBP Power Locks
JPDP Power Windows, Driver One-Touch
JPSP Power 6-Way Driver Seat
JRDP Power Driver Seat
KRAS STRIPE/BADGE/MOLDING/COLOR
KTAS STRIPE/BADGE/MOLDING/COLOR
K1XP STRIPE/BADGE/MOLDING/COLOR
K17P STRIPE/BADGE/MOLDING
LBAP Map/Courtesy Lamp
LBCP Glove Box Lamp
LDAS Underhood Lamp
LMAS Halogen Headlamps
LNC Clearance Lamps
LPES Cargo Lamp
MBFS Bright Rear Bumper
MCTS Bright Front Bumper
MDAP Front License Plate Bracket
MFDS Bright Grille
MHAS Black Windshield Moldings
MPBP Black Tailgate Applique
MWDS Removable Tailgate w/Caliper Latches
MXCP Front Bumper Sight Shields
NAA Federal Emissions
NBLP Delete EVAP Control System
NFVS 35 Gallon Fuel Tank
NHBP Auxiliary Transmission Oil Cooler
NHKP Engine Block Heater
NHMP Speed Control
NMCP Heavy Duty Engine Cooling
PX8A Black Clear Coat
QX8S Black Clear Coat
RAAC All Radio Equipped Vehicles
RAZ AM/FM Cassette Compact Disc Radio
RCEP Infinity Speakers
RDDP Fixed Long Mast Antenna
SBAS Power Rack and Pinion Steering
SCVP Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel
SFBS Front Heavy Duty Shock Absorbers
SGBS Rear Heavy Duty Shock Absorbers
SHAS Front Stabilizer Bar
SUAP Tilt Steering Column
TBBS Full Size Spare Tire
TBMP Tire Carrier Winch
TXFP LT265/75R16E BSW All Season Tires
TZHP Michelin Brand Tires
WDZP 16X8.0 Forged Aluminum Wheels
WLBP Steel Spare Wheel
WMJP Center Hub
XBSS Pickup Box
XCMS Vendor Painted Cargo Box
XEFP Transfer Case Skid Plate Shield
YAAS Build To U.S. Mkt. Specifications
*EDIT* Crap now i'm looking at my pictures again and I'm thinking the upper ear on the axle "c's" is actually bent upwards. Does that look right?
Last edited by CSCustomCars; 01-07-2012 at 07:26 PM.