B250 1989 on E85
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07-08-2018, 04:00 PM
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#2
07-11-2018, 07:55 AM
That's going to be a programming issue. Unfortunately, there is no easy way to program an OBDI PCM. Something else to keep in mind is, running E85 is going to increase fuel consumption as well. (not as much energy per unit volume in E85) So, expect gas mileage to drop 25-35%.
You will spend a fair bit of money to make it work.... and even then, it won't work that well, and it will take a LONG time for the conversion to pay for itself, if it ever does......
You will spend a fair bit of money to make it work.... and even then, it won't work that well, and it will take a LONG time for the conversion to pay for itself, if it ever does......
#4
07-18-2018, 05:59 PM
"That's going to be a programming issue. Unfortunately, there is no easy way to program an OBDI PCM"
I work on the same project for the same reason. The 1987 Dodge Van i would purchase have an carbureted 318 engine. The problem you showing with the OBDI PCM concerned the engine with the EFI system and his calculator, isn't it ?If we have a carburetor the mixture based on 98 fuel or E85 can't affect any calculator, isn't it ? Really i don't know and i'm really curious to know more.
I spend few weeks ago to find all the informations about the stuff needing to ride with the E85. With an vehicle with 30 years old, it's better to change everything since the tank to carburetor.
I don't find serious informations about after how many thousand miles the E85 affect seriously the valves seats if you don't install hardened seats.
#5
07-19-2018, 08:16 AM
Engine should already have hardened valve seats. That came about in the late 60's, early 70's. (when they stopped putting lead in gasoline.)
Going to a carb....... will be interesting. It would have to be properly jetted for E85, and that would be the ONLY fuel you would be able to run. Otherwise, it would run incredibly rich, if it ran at all.
Going to a carb....... will be interesting. It would have to be properly jetted for E85, and that would be the ONLY fuel you would be able to run. Otherwise, it would run incredibly rich, if it ran at all.
#6
07-19-2018, 09:33 AM
Thanks to answering because all advices are welcome. Maybe i’ve not thinking on everything.
i know when the carb is turned to E85, you can’t go back to the regular 98. But I can find easily where are the gas station offering the E85. Thanks cell phone with application specially with all the gas station with E85.
A friend of mine have a 1988 Ford E150 Club Wagon with 5L V8 EFI . The calculator work well because I can ride with 75% E85 and 25% whithout trouble on the Idle. He check regularly the Spark Plugs colors and said the mixed is ok.
so, for me i’ve trade Few informations with Rob from E85carb.com. He said I can trade the Original Holley 2 barrels R-4022 with his Holley 2 barrels 4412-500. He can build this carb for a better mileage. +20% more consumption to 30% . Depend the load and of course the driver
http://www.e85carbs.com/
But don’t need to change only the carb if riding with E85. All before the carb to fuel tank , maybe change the fuel tank for a new can be better.
all the parts are available at Rockauto and Summit Racing. Total cost around $1100, dépend of the quality you would be mounted.
i know when the carb is turned to E85, you can’t go back to the regular 98. But I can find easily where are the gas station offering the E85. Thanks cell phone with application specially with all the gas station with E85.
A friend of mine have a 1988 Ford E150 Club Wagon with 5L V8 EFI . The calculator work well because I can ride with 75% E85 and 25% whithout trouble on the Idle. He check regularly the Spark Plugs colors and said the mixed is ok.
so, for me i’ve trade Few informations with Rob from E85carb.com. He said I can trade the Original Holley 2 barrels R-4022 with his Holley 2 barrels 4412-500. He can build this carb for a better mileage. +20% more consumption to 30% . Depend the load and of course the driver
http://www.e85carbs.com/
But don’t need to change only the carb if riding with E85. All before the carb to fuel tank , maybe change the fuel tank for a new can be better.
all the parts are available at Rockauto and Summit Racing. Total cost around $1100, dépend of the quality you would be mounted.
#7
07-19-2018, 05:41 PM
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#8
07-19-2018, 06:33 PM
Like the thread starter, Amplify, i live in Europe, France.
Here 1 US Gallon of regular 98 fuel cost around 6 bucks and 1 US gallon of E85 cost $ 2.25
If i buy this 1987 Dodge Wagon, it's for keep this van for few years. I include the total cost of this conversion in the purchase of the Van. Yes after monthly the cost of the MPG is more easy to digest
The handicap is the poor autonomy with the standard 22 gallons fuel tank. + 30% consumption with the E85. The rival in this 80's era was the Ford Club Wagon XLT and he have dual tanks
But i don't find a Club wagon XLT in the same condition and price than The Dodge Van i've find.
Here 1 US Gallon of regular 98 fuel cost around 6 bucks and 1 US gallon of E85 cost $ 2.25
If i buy this 1987 Dodge Wagon, it's for keep this van for few years. I include the total cost of this conversion in the purchase of the Van. Yes after monthly the cost of the MPG is more easy to digest
The handicap is the poor autonomy with the standard 22 gallons fuel tank. + 30% consumption with the E85. The rival in this 80's era was the Ford Club Wagon XLT and he have dual tanks
But i don't find a Club wagon XLT in the same condition and price than The Dodge Van i've find.
#9
07-20-2018, 07:13 AM